NWN Diamond dvd working in 12.10 yey! 64bit movies to

[vanquishedangel]

i think i figured it out, i extracted the iso's to a folder in the nwn folder called nwn so when i was extracting to the nwn folder it was trying to create a folder i had already created for the contents of the iso, ill retry from the begining with a diff folder for my iso contents.
edit:
Ok i redid everything and it seemed to be all be going well then this hapened.

paridoth@sony-ubuntu:~/nwn$ ./fixinstall
Checking for required files

PASSED: ambient directory exists
PASSED: data directory exists
PASSED: music directory exists
PASSED: override directory exists
PASSED: miles directory exists
PASSED: nwm directory exists
PASSED: chitin.key exists
PASSED: dialog.tlk exists
PASSED: nwmain exists

Fixing case

ambient
............................................................................................................
data
.............................
dmvault
..
hak
.
localvault
.......................
music
................................................................................
override
.............

Checking for problem files


Checking for permissions

PASSED: nwn.ini is writable
PASSED: nwnplayer.ini is writable
PASSED: nwncdkey.ini is writable
PASSED: saves is writable
PASSED: localvault is writable
PASSED: tempclient is writable
PASSED: dmvault is writable
PASSED: /home/paridoth/nwn is writable

You are ready to run Neverwinter Nights.

paridoth@sony-ubuntu:~/nwn$ ./nwn
Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)

Good news is the game is successfully installed

From a brief search on the internet it seems that may be a permissions issue, How I solved this was I highlighted all the files (not folders) in nwn and right clicked, properties, permissions tab, and set all to anyone. I opened every folder and did that to every file in nwn.

Maybe "sudo chmod -R nwn" would work but I really don't know much about "chmod" so try at your own risk, "maybe sudo chmod 755 nwn", I got the reference for chmod here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-493171.html

or try "sudo chmod -c -R 777 nwn" according to here but it didn't work for him: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-464467.html

could try editing the nwn file to see if it is in there like maybe you need the ./lib: in the line in that file (doubt this one but who knows)

possible a file didn't fully copy over correct, I had a noGui file issue when I first installed, a data pack didn't install correctly.

A good explanation of that error is here: http://forums.justlinux.com/showthre...chute-Deployed

Also check your nwn logfile (in logs folder) for clues

[paridoth]

contents of my nwn file

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

./nwmain $@

every file is set for read write for my user, i will delete and try from step one to see if that works, thanks for your time =)

[oldrocker99]

contents of my nwn file

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

./nwmain $@

every file is set for read write for my user, i will delete and try from step one to see if that works, thanks for your time =)

What I have done is make a copy of the "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH..." line and paste it under the original. Then I add # to the beginning of one line to comment it out. Then render the other line thus (for a 32-bit system):

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

On my 64-bit system, the line reads:

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./miles/usr/lib32:LD_LIBRARY_PATH

I awlays keep a commented copy of a line I'm editing, just so I have a fresh copy to edit if I hose something.

Good luck!

[paridoth]

so no more parachute error, yay. i run ./nwn and now i just have a an empty terminal with a blinking promp ( so it thinks its doing something ) nothing in the log folder and no output in the terminal. my new nwn file

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
#export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

./nwmain $@

[vanquishedangel]

so no more parachute error, yay. i run ./nwn and now i just have a an empty terminal with a blinking promp ( so it thinks its doing something ) nothing in the log folder and no output in the terminal. my new nwn file

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
#export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH

./nwmain $@

Here is a copy of mine:


#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0
export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa (not needed if sound works, only for alsa drivers)

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export NWMOVIES_GRAB_HACK=1
export XCURSOR_PATH=`pwd` (only for hardware mouse)
export XCURSOR_THEME=nwmouse (only for hardware mouse)
export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so:./nwmouse.so (add this ":./nwmouse.so" only for hardware mouse)

./nwmain $@


You are missing the lines "export NWMOVIES_GRAB_HACK=1" and "export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so" if you installed the movies. check the log file for binkplayer (nwmovies.log), there is always alot in there but it seems like the movies are playing but you cant see them. if you copy mine, you need the hardware mouse installed and alsa drivers and dont copy the () or the text in between, or leave those lines out.

The blinking prompt is most likely cause it is running the movies try and see if hitting the "esc" key a bunch of times works. I don't know if it will but ingame the esc key cancels the movies and ads.

I also have a tons of crap installed (updated textures, creature and several other things like the hardware mouse) so many of my files will be different.

[paridoth]

well better results.

current nwn

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export NWMOVIES_GRAB_HACK=1
export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so:

./nwmain $@

what i did

paridoth@sony-ubuntu:~/nwn$ ./nwn
NOTICE: NWMovies(./nwmain): Version: 20090223.080954
NOTICE: Looking up symbols in libSDL.....
NOTICE: NWMovies: Using libSDL via RTLD_NEXT.
NOTICE: SDL Library determined to be: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_GrabInput() address: b75970b0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_GetVideoSurface() address: b7595450
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_ToggleFullScreen() address: b7598470
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_PollEvent() address: b75747a0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_IconifyWindow() address: b7598440
WARNING: NWMovies: No INI file.  Creating.
WARNING: NWMovies: INI recalculation required: 7780208:0 1215115938:0
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Entry point determined: 0x7830
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 28
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Cookie location: 0x1aec3e
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 29
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Call Location #1: 00028264
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Call Location #2: 00028278
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Call Location #3: 00028134
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 16
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 02
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 02
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 18
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 02
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Searching executable: 28
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Searching executable: 30
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Cookie start_location: 0x1b8005
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Searching executable: 30
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Cookie end_location: 0x1b8028
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 0: 08077a9d
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 1: 08077ab1
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 2: 0815b5f7
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 3: 0815b611
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 4: 0807796f
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Recalculated calls 5: 08207835
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Recalculated calls 6: 08207858
NOTICE: NWMovies: INI File written: Now exiting.  This is perfectly normal!
NOTICE: Your next run of NWN should be complete, and include movies.
28paridoth@sony-ubuntu:~/nwn$ ./nwn
NOTICE: NWMovies(./nwmain): Version: 20090223.080954
NOTICE: Looking up symbols in libSDL.....
NOTICE: NWMovies: Using libSDL via RTLD_NEXT.
NOTICE: SDL Library determined to be: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_GrabInput() address: b751d0b0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_GetVideoSurface() address: b751b450
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_ToggleFullScreen() address: b751e470
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_PollEvent() address: b74fa7a0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_IconifyWindow() address: b751e440
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 0 Address: 0x08077a9d
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 1 Address: 0x08077ab1
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 2 Address: 0x0815b5f7
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 3 Address: 0x0815b611
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 4 Address: 0x0807796f
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 5 Address: 0x08207835
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 6 Address: 0x08207858
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch0: 8b 80 78 02 00 00 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch1: 8b 80 7c 02 00 00 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch2: e8 68 c5 f1 ff 83 ec 08 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch3: 169+: eb 59 90 83 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch0: b8 00 00 00 00 90 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch1: b8 00 00 00 00 90 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch2: 90 90 90 90 90 83 ec 08 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch3: 169+: 90 90 90 83 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch4: 56 8d 5d e8 53 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch4: e9 20 d4 6c af 
NOTICE: NWMovies: MoviesPrePatch: 6a 00 53 bf 00 00 00 3f e8 72 4f 2a 00 8b 43 60 8b 10 c7 04 24 00 00 80 3f 57 57 57 50 ff 52 44 83 c4 1c 
NOTICE: NWMovies: MoviesPostPatch: 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 
NOTICE: NWMovies: Initialized.

and here i sit with a blinking command prompt. ls command contents of my nwn folder

[vanquishedangel]

well better results.

current nwn

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=:./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export NWMOVIES_GRAB_HACK=1
export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so:

./nwmain $@

what i did

paridoth@sony-ubuntu:~/nwn$ ./nwn
NOTICE: NWMovies(./nwmain): Version: 20090223.080954
NOTICE: Looking up symbols in libSDL.....
NOTICE: NWMovies: Using libSDL via RTLD_NEXT.
NOTICE: SDL Library determined to be: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_GrabInput() address: b75970b0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_GetVideoSurface() address: b7595450
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_ToggleFullScreen() address: b7598470
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_PollEvent() address: b75747a0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_IconifyWindow() address: b7598440
WARNING: NWMovies: No INI file.  Creating.
WARNING: NWMovies: INI recalculation required: 7780208:0 1215115938:0
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Entry point determined: 0x7830
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 28
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Cookie location: 0x1aec3e
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 29
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Call Location #1: 00028264
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Call Location #2: 00028278
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Call Location #3: 00028134
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 16
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 02
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 02
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 18
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Searching executable: 02
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Searching executable: 28
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Searching executable: 30
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Cookie start_location: 0x1b8005
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Searching executable: 30
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Cookie end_location: 0x1b8028
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 0: 08077a9d
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 1: 08077ab1
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 2: 0815b5f7
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 3: 0815b611
NOTICE: NWMovies: (cookie) Recalculated calls 4: 0807796f
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Recalculated calls 5: 08207835
NOTICE: NWMovies: (movies) Recalculated calls 6: 08207858
NOTICE: NWMovies: INI File written: Now exiting.  This is perfectly normal!
NOTICE: Your next run of NWN should be complete, and include movies.
28paridoth@sony-ubuntu:~/nwn$ ./nwn
NOTICE: NWMovies(./nwmain): Version: 20090223.080954
NOTICE: Looking up symbols in libSDL.....
NOTICE: NWMovies: Using libSDL via RTLD_NEXT.
NOTICE: SDL Library determined to be: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_GrabInput() address: b751d0b0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_GetVideoSurface() address: b751b450
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_ToggleFullScreen() address: b751e470
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_PollEvent() address: b74fa7a0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_IconifyWindow() address: b751e440
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 0 Address: 0x08077a9d
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 1 Address: 0x08077ab1
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 2 Address: 0x0815b5f7
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 3 Address: 0x0815b611
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 4 Address: 0x0807796f
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 5 Address: 0x08207835
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 6 Address: 0x08207858
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch0: 8b 80 78 02 00 00 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch1: 8b 80 7c 02 00 00 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch2: e8 68 c5 f1 ff 83 ec 08 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch3: 169+: eb 59 90 83 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch0: b8 00 00 00 00 90 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch1: b8 00 00 00 00 90 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch2: 90 90 90 90 90 83 ec 08 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch3: 169+: 90 90 90 83 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch4: 56 8d 5d e8 53 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch4: e9 20 d4 6c af 
NOTICE: NWMovies: MoviesPrePatch: 6a 00 53 bf 00 00 00 3f e8 72 4f 2a 00 8b 43 60 8b 10 c7 04 24 00 00 80 3f 57 57 57 50 ff 52 44 83 c4 1c 
NOTICE: NWMovies: MoviesPostPatch: 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 
NOTICE: NWMovies: Initialized.

and here i sit with a blinking command prompt. ls command contents of my nwn folder

I am having a hard time figuring it out lol, I have many files you wouldn't.

Try installing unshield (for drm issues) from synaptic, (or sudo apt-get install unshield) make sure you are using proprietary drivers for your graphics card. I will continue to search this out, I may have an idea. Also try running it in windowed mode by editing nwn.ini and under display options add or edit the lines to look like this

FullScreen=0
AllowWindowedMode=1

and see if it runs, some have had issues with fullscreen mode. also remove the ":" from "export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so:" so it looks like this "export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so"

[rasmus91]

Hello all, I've been trying for a couple of hours now, and i just can't make it work. this is what happens when i run ./nwn

NOTICE: NWMovies(./nwmain): Version: 20090223.080954
NOTICE: Looking up symbols in libSDL.....
NOTICE: NWMovies: Using libSDL via RTLD_NEXT.
NOTICE: SDL Library determined to be: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libSDL-1.2.so.0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_GrabInput() address: f74b30b0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_GetVideoSurface() address: f74b1450
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_ToggleFullScreen() address: f74b4470
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_PollEvent() address: f74907a0
NOTICE: NWMovies: SDL_WM_IconifyWindow() address: f74b4440
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 0 Address: 0x08077a9d
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 1 Address: 0x08077ab1
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 2 Address: 0x0815b5f7
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 3 Address: 0x0815b611
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 4 Address: 0x0807796f
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 5 Address: 0x08207835
NOTICE: NWMovies: Patch 6 Address: 0x08207858
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch0: 8b 80 78 02 00 00 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch1: 8b 80 7c 02 00 00 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch2: e8 68 c5 f1 ff 83 ec 08 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch3: 169+: eb 59 90 83 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch0: b8 00 00 00 00 90 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch1: b8 00 00 00 00 90 5d c3 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch2: 90 90 90 90 90 83 ec 08 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch3: 169+: 90 90 90 83 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PrePatch4: 56 8d 5d e8 53 
NOTICE: NWMovies: PostPatch4: e9 20 f4 66 ef 
NOTICE: NWMovies: MoviesPrePatch: 6a 00 53 bf 00 00 00 3f e8 72 4f 2a 00 8b 43 60 8b 10 c7 04 24 00 00 80 3f 57 57 57 50 ff 52 44 83 c4 1c 
NOTICE: NWMovies: MoviesPostPatch: 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 
NOTICE: NWMovies: Initialized.

and then a cursor occurs that just stand there blinking.

my nwn file looks like this:

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory

export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0

rm miles
ln -s miles_linux miles

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
#export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib:./miles:"$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./miles/usr/lib32:LD_LIBRARY_PATH

export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so
./nwmain $@

rm miles
ln -s miles_win miles

i tried adding:

export NWMOVIES_GRAB_HACK=1

but it didn't change anything. any insight?
i would really like to play this game again.

[Xo-Mige]

As I was reading this and just got the movies to work

made the nwmovies.pl exicutable with

chmod a+x nwmovies.pl

I followed the instructions in the original post about linking the .so files and editing the nwn.ini file

the contents of my nwn launch script is:

#!/bin/sh

# This script runs Neverwinter Nights from the current directory
cd ~/nwn
#it now runs in the proper one
#export SDL_MOUSE_RELATIVE=0
#export SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0
#export SDL_DSP_NOSELECT=1
#export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa
#export SDL_AUDIODRVERS=pulse

# If you do not wish to use the SDL library included in the package, remove
# ./lib from LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./miles:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_PRELOAD=./nwmovies.so
export NWMOVIES_GRAB_HACK=1

./nwmain $@

notice I don't use the "./lib:" part and the two lines under the export library part

I hope this helps someone as I spent all day figering this out

additionaly if when you do "./nwmovies.pl " it says

NOTICE: NWMovies.pl playing: : Tue Dec 25 16:24:14 2012
ERROR: NWMovies.pl: Missing movie file: 
NOTICE: NWMovies.pl finished playing: : Tue Dec 25 16:24:14 2012

then you need to edit the nwn.ini with the
FullScreen=1
AllowWindowedMode=0

options otherwise if "./nwmovies.pl " "permission denied: ./nwmovies.pl"
then chmod a+x nwmovies.pl

[gtmaneki]

I recently switched computers. Aside from replacing six-year-old hardware with newer stuff, I also switched from Ubuntu 12.04 32-bit to 12.10 64-bit.

I copied over all my NWN files that had worked so well on the old computer, installed all the libraries, but when I launch NWN now it hangs. I see the nwmain process running, but the game never starts.

ldd confirms all the libraries are in place. Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?