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    apple recommend antivirus software

    apples impenetrable security, borne of their 'apple != windows' is not so impenetrable anymore. they're recommending people use antivirus now, though this ISNT related to market share issues. its related to the changing way in which cyber-villains attack computers.

    no more 'please download this cool .exe. it definitely wont cripple your computer' attacks, now we're web-based drive-by downloads, and its got apple concerned (for its users).

    why mention this? im curious as to how it impacts on us gnu/linux users. ive oft read it written that increased market share != increased malware risk because of our inherently superior security model. now (if i understand things right) it seems that it might risk increased malware because of the changing nature of malware attacks.

    the good news is that its true, increased market share doesnt make us any more vulnerable. the bad news is that we'll still be more vulnerable though...

    thoughts?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7760344.stm

    Apple has urged Mac owners to use anti-virus software.
    However, in recent months, hi-tech criminals have signalled a change in tactics away from e-mail borne viruses. Instead, many are infiltrating popular webpages in a bid to infect the machine of any and every visitor.
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    Re: apple recommend antivirus software

    I knew that it would have to happen eventually. A mac using Antivirus software...

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    I'm pretty certain Linux users will end up using some kind of antivirus software. I think it's hubris to assume that just because we're fairly safe now, we won't become vulnerable to some future threat that's best tackled by installing specialist packages.

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    They recomend Symantec Norton? That's as bad as having a virus.

    So what can these booby-trapped websites do? Can they be neutralised by simple common-sense?


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    the only booby-trapped sites ive read about are using things like xxs cross-scripting and java-exploits. the short answer then is yes - sensible web-habits can circumvent them!

    but thats only a 'for now' kind of answer. as web-site based attacks get more sophisticated, im sure security habits will also have to up-a-notch.

    safe browsing habits, coupled with a decent security model for the OS, coupled with anti-virus should make you as secure as possible, but of course, nothing is ever truly secure is it?

    and i always thought having norton was effectively the same as having no anti-virus! back in the day, it never helped my old xp-machine!
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    Higher marketshare = bigger target, I can not see why this does not apply to Ubuntu.

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    ...is it now time to install antivirus to ubuntu too??

    Mac is also a unix distro (BSD) and If macs can be penetrated then so can ubuntu
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    i agree with you swarms, market share definitely makes for an attractive target.

    as i understood the news story i linked, market share isnt the driving factor in apples concerns over viruses. apple seem to be recommending anti-virus software because malware is becoming platform neutral, web-based not 'download this .exe' based.

    of course, it makes sense that bigger market share = more attractive target for malware, and im sure that'll play a part in things. but as linux (and its myriad distro's) rises, platform-neutral malware would make most sense, as then they can get windows, apple, linux is all its flavours, BSD, unix and whomever else!

    just thought it was interesting, especially given apple have in the past advertised themselves based upon their virus immunity (witness: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb_Q8WRL_g)
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    Re: apple recommend antivirus software

    Quote Originally Posted by Sealbhach View Post
    They recomend Symantec Norton? That's as bad as having a virus.

    So what can these booby-trapped websites do? Can they be neutralised by simple common-sense?


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    If common sense is such a rare trait, why do we call it common sense?

    BTW, Apple recommending Norton, is kind of like having a dentist recommend that you use a power-drill for your dental work.



    I remember the good ol days-when institutions were starting to get internet accesss everywhere-and all the naive assumptions about how people use computers--and how the networks would go down on a weekly or daily basis because some idiot was a bot for a virus, as were all his contacts.

    People, en general, have learned their lesson about email being more trouble than it is really worth, with email viruses, phishing scams etc, many institutions no longer blacklist email addresses but whitelist them because the problems are so bad. For people wanting to spread viruses email is no longer an easy game--people have come to automatically assume any email from someone they do not know is probably a scam or a virus....people also very rarely do not run Windows without an-up-to-date virus scanner and up-to-date-OS.

    The web is another matter. It is a better vector as a majority of folks STILL use Internet Explorer-regardless of how unsecure it is. People assume that because they type in an address-they will go to that address (remember the big flaw in DNS found by Kaminsky?). People assume most sites are as they show themselves to be, how about that AntiVirus 2009 (Do NOT go to their site, it is one of the most virulent pieces of malware out there)? It is a sign of things to come.
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    Re: apple recommend antivirus software

    Quote Originally Posted by bryncoles View Post
    safe browsing habits, coupled with a decent security model for the OS, coupled with anti-virus should make you as secure as possible...
    I don't want to have to run antivirus though, it's a total PITA.

    I want a secure OS and a secure browser. I tried out the Noscript add-on in Freifox but that was a PITA too, total nagware.

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