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    What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    What was his goal?

    To create a freely distributable operating system kernel for use on personal computers? Or just to see if he could do it?
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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    I think he just wanted to see what he can do. An when he realized he can, he continued to improve. And lo, here we enjoy its many freedoms.

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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    it all started with him making a terminal emulator to access unix file systems. the kernel just flopped around on usenet for a while, more of a hobby for him. then he decided to submit it to GNU. and it all took off from there.

    it's worth noting that he never really... set out to start some crazy software/opensource revolution. he's played a big part, but by far not the biggest in terms of development.

    he's also one grumpy, over emotional, and outright offensive person. he's not what people make him out to be. =/

    if anything, his goals aren't being met with ubuntu. he's come out and said some pretty nasty things about gnome, and its developers. (in so many words saying its garbage and the devs are idiots) so i "assume" he doesn't have pleasant thoughts about where the linux desktop scene has gone.

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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by grazed View Post
    he's played a big part, but by far not the biggest in terms of development.
    REALLY ??
    are you hearing what you are saying??
    Would you be hear if he didn't contribute to the kernel development???

    he's also one grumpy, over emotional, and outright offensive person. he's not what people make him out to be. =/
    I think HE is Human and not god, so he has his own preferences and opinion

    if anything, his goals aren't being met with ubuntu. he's come out and said some pretty nasty things about gnome, and its developers. (in so many words saying its garbage and the devs are idiots) so i "assume" he doesn't have pleasant thoughts about where the linux desktop scene has gone.
    Well if he doesn't like gnome does it mean he doesn't have pleasant thoughts about where the linux desktop scene has gone. I would think it means he likes Kde and its direction as far as desktops are concerned.

    So I think you write alot for a person/guy/girl/man/woman who is not saying much but ones opinion of a person (i have a feeling you like Bill Gates since he liked anything microsoft did and never critisized its developers)

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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    if anything, his goals aren't being met with ubuntu. he's come out and said some pretty nasty things about gnome, and its developers. (in so many words saying its garbage and the devs are idiots) so i "assume" he doesn't have pleasant thoughts about where the linux desktop scene has gone.
    Do you happen to know where to find the article(s) in which he expressed these views?
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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by eternalnewbee View Post
    Do you happen to know where to find the article(s) in which he expressed these views?
    google his name + gnome.

    as far as the desktop deal, take a look here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I8JtJsyJB4

    you can listen to him say he really could care less about commercialisation and the such.
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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by pmlxuser View Post
    REALLY ??
    are you hearing what you are saying??
    Would you be hear if he didn't contribute to the kernel development???


    I think HE is Human and not god, so he has his own preferences and opinion



    Well if he doesn't like gnome does it mean he doesn't have pleasant thoughts about where the linux desktop scene has gone. I would think it means he likes Kde and its direction as far as desktops are concerned.

    So I think you write alot for a person/guy/girl/man/woman who is not saying much but ones opinion of a person (i have a feeling you like Bill Gates since he liked anything microsoft did and never critisized its developers)
    Open source would most definitely be here regardless. Have a look at what Sun is doing with Solaris. Read about the history of GNU. It all started a long time before he ever came along. If it wasn't the linux kernel, it would have been something else.

    Again with his personality, I understand he is human, but he is beyond vulgar and offensive with developers and users, he has a bad temper, and talks down A LOT of software developers in the process. It isn't great business seeing as he's basically linux's spokesperson. I mean.. he's been officially quoted saying he has the ego of a small planet.

    As far as the gnome vs. kde issue, why would he be happy with linux on the desktop at the moment? Maybe with KDE distros, Certainly not with Gnome seeing as how much emotion and obscenity he throws at it. Google his posts to the lead Gnome developer, see for yourself. See what he says about "average" linux users. Maybe then you'll change your tune.

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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    as far as the desktop deal, take a look here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I8JtJsyJB4
    This is the first time I've seen a video of Linus Torvalds (I thought he was a lot older), and he actually made quite a nice first impression. Maybe you posted the wrong link.
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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by eternalnewbee View Post
    Do you happen to know where to find the article(s) in which he expressed these views?
    * From: Linus Torvalds
    <snip>
    On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Till Kamppeter wrote:
    >
    > Frederic told that the options from the PPD file are intentionally mot
    > listed in the printing dialog, the usability team of GNOME was against
    > listing these options. They clutter the dialog and can be more confusin
    g > than useful to the user.
    I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE.

    This "users are idiots, and are confused by functionality" mentality of
    Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will
    use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long
    since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do.

    Please, just tell people to use KDE.

    Linus
    http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi.../msg00021.html

    On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Jeff Waugh wrote:
    >
    > That's definitely not a point of view of the GNOME Project - we're focused
    > on making Free Software appropriate for users who are smart (we don't talk
    > about 'dumb users'), but just don't care about computing technology. We're
    > just like every other Free Software project - fixing stuff requires the work
    > and attention of people who care about the problem at hand.

    No. I've talked to people, and often your "fixes" are actually removing
    capabilities that you had, because they were "too confusing to the user".

    That's _not_ like any other open source project I know about. Gnome seems
    to be developed by interface nazis, where consistently the excuse for not
    doign something is not "it's too complicated to do", but "it would confuse
    users".
    I wonder if forum nazis are related to interface nazis...

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    Re: What was L. Torvalds' Goal with Linux?

    Quote Originally Posted by TreeFinger View Post
    What was his goal?

    To create a freely distributable operating system kernel for use on personal computers? Or just to see if he could do it?
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