No sound with a EMU 0404 PCI card and Ubuntu studio 8.04

[sanus|art]

I had to adjust the volume levels and restart for it to work. I don't think different PCI slot will solve the issue.

[zob]

Please don't discourage anyone to try sanus|art. I'm insisting. I could very well be some kind of IRQ-conflict or what do I know...

There is no better explanation as far as I can see, given the fact that a lot of people have their 0404PCI's running and some just cant make it work.

As far as for adjusting the volume level. If it's the slider you're thinking of, merely touching gives me an error, 'cause no sound-card is loaded - you can refer to the outputs of my first post and also post #6 in this thread.

If you want to help sanus|art, what would be interesting to see your outputs of those same commands, so if you feel like, please post them here. Maybe especially the dmesg |grep emu (Or anyone else with a working 0404 PCI).

But again. If someone with no sound and a 0404 PCI card have the time and the guts to experiment, please refer to post #20 in this thread. And if someone wants to read more about IRQ-conflicts, here's a link to a july '04 article from Sound on Sound.

[luispa]

Since a lot of people seem to get it installed without any problems whatsoever, and a few of just have no luck at all, I was thinking that maybe It is simply a question of moving the 0404 PCI to a different PCI-slot. As far as I remember, nobody tried that yet - in these forums at least. I do remember however that, when I first got it (the 0404) and I was following the forums on people having installation problems on XP, some people found that it would work in one PCI-slot and not in others.

I changed the 0404 to a different PCI slot with no luck. I did not a complete reinstall.

[zob]

Thanks luispa.

I just don't get it. Why don't our 0404's work, when other people have theirs working???
I guess it must be firmware related then. Which means that we might just as well trash the 0404's that are not working, 'cause they never will.

I don't think it a software (or ALSA) problem. I've tried at least ten different distros and I haven't succeded in getting a sound in any of them (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSUSE, Sabayon, PCLinuxOS, Mandriva, 64Studio, Musix, UbuntuStudio, Knoppix...).

It must be a problem with the firmware-loader. Remember that the following command:

dmesg |grep emu

gives this output:

[    1.743845] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input0

[   30.997605] emu1010: Special config.

[   30.997686] emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x7f

[   30.997688] emu1010: filename emu/emu0404.fw testing

[   30.997690] firmware: requesting emu/emu0404.fw

[   33.056012] emu1010: Loading Hana Firmware file failed, reg=0x7f

(The first line is of course of no interest).

Still, what would be very interesting is, if someone with a working 0404 could post his/her outputs on this command and maybe more fx. this one:

sudo lshw -C multimedia

Also for the people who haven't read and who may understand what it means (I afraid I don't), in /usr/share/doc/alsa-firmware/ you should have a README file explaining something about the firmware-loaders, which, if read by the right person, might be of some help.

[Glynnux]

Hi Zob, I got the 1.0.16-0medibuntu1 alsa firmware from medibuntu.

In Synaptic package manager I now have

alsa firmware = 1.0.16-0medibuntu1

and

alsa firmware loader = 1.0.15-2ubuntu4

both checked and interdependant (as in you can't uninstall the 1.0.15-2 package without uninstalling the other)

My EMU is now recognised and working........

...but I can't capture from it at the moment so I am using an Alesi multimix8 with poor latency of 23. I am working on that but fast running out of options that I haven't tried.

In Jack setup I have EMU0404 as the interface, USB audio as the input and EMU0404 as the output. I have to set the 'frames/period' to 512 which isn't ideal for live instruments. If I set EMU as the input I can set frames/period to a much lower figure with no xruns...probably because I can't get anything from the mixer.

My sound is set up to use the EMU and all playback and input is set to Alsa.(I get the same result by setting to multichannel playback and multichannel capture but I prefer the Alsa setting as Jack connections just comes up with so many inputs and outputs set the other way)
Alsamixer is set to use EMU0404.

The sound output of Hydrogen is so much more present and rich than the it was with the onboard Intel-hda!
If I get EMU to work as the input I'll post how I did it (and hope the latency is better than the USB latency)

I have a P4 3.0 on an Asus P4P800 board with EMU0404 pci.

I hope this is helpful. ...and meanwhile take care with your XP partition.

Glynnux

[zob]

Hi Glynnux
Thanks for helping. Please tell me your outputs of:

lspci -nn

and

sudo lshw -C multimedia

and

dmesg |grep emu

I've tried with the 1.0.16 alsa as well. Now I'm on 1.0.17.
I'd wish I could get to the point where I could choose any alsa settings. I guess if you list you alsa playback hardware devices with:

aplay -l

you get something. I don't have any... yet...

But I would be very grateful if you, or someone else with a recognized 0404 PCI, would post the outputs on the commands I mentioned first thing in this post.

Thanks.

By the way. Have a look at the linux driver thread over at productionforum.com if you wish:
http://www.productionforums.com/view...hp?f=24&t=3768

[Glynnux]

Okay Zob,

lspci -nn =

gee@STUDIO-glynnux:~$ lspci -nn
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface [8086:2570] (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P PCI to AGP Controller [8086:2571] (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24d2] (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:24d4] (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:24d7] (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4 [8086:24de] (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:24dd] (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev c2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:24d0] (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller [8086:24db] (rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller [8086:24d1] (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller [8086:24d3] (rev 02)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24d5] (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] [1002:4e48]
01:00.1 Display controller [0380]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] (Secondary) [1002:4e68]
02:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller [1106:3044] (rev 46)
02:05.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T [Marvell] [10b7:1700] (rev 12)
02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB0400 Audigy2 Value [1102:0008]
gee@STUDIO-glynnux:~$


-C multimedia gives..

gee@STUDIO-glynnux:~$ sudo lshw -C multimedia
[sudo] password for gee:
*-multimedia
description: Multimedia audio controller
product: SB0400 Audigy2 Value
vendor: Creative Labs
physical id: b
bus info: pci@0000:02:0b.0
version: 00
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=EMU10K1_Audigy latency=64 maxlatency=20 mingnt=2 module=snd_emu10k1
*-multimedia
description: Multimedia audio controller
product: 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1f.5
bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.5
version: 02
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=Intel ICH latency=0 module=snd_intel8x0

grep emu gives..

gee@STUDIO-glynnux:~$ dmesg |grep emu
[ 32.821160] input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /devices/virtual/input/input0
[ 47.785775] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:822: emu1010: Special config.
[ 47.785865] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:861: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID=0x3f
[ 47.785874] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:880: emu1010: filename emu/emu0404.fw testing
[ 49.794997] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:684: firmware size=0xd67c
[ 51.025106] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:897: emu1010: Hana Firmware loaded
[ 51.025157] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:900: Hana ver:1.1
[ 51.025216] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:905: emu1010: Card options=0x1
[ 51.025243] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:907: emu1010: Card options=0x1
[ 51.025737] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:945: emu1010: Card options3=0x1
[ 51.041538] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:226: Audigy2 value: Special config.
[ 51.041791] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/../../alsa-kernel/pci/emu10k1/emufx.c:1520: EMU outputs on
[ 51.041797] ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-rt/sound/alsa-driver/pci/emu10k1/../../alsa-kernel/pci/emu10k1/emufx.c:1568: EMU2 inputs on


and finally aplay -l

gee@STUDIO-glynnux:~$ aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel ICH5 - IEC958]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 2: EMU0404 [E-mu 0404b [4002]], device 0: emu10k1 [ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback]
Subdevices: 31/32
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
Subdevice #8: subdevice #8
Subdevice #9: subdevice #9
Subdevice #10: subdevice #10
Subdevice #11: subdevice #11
Subdevice #12: subdevice #12
Subdevice #13: subdevice #13
Subdevice #14: subdevice #14
Subdevice #15: subdevice #15
Subdevice #16: subdevice #16
Subdevice #17: subdevice #17
Subdevice #18: subdevice #18
Subdevice #19: subdevice #19
Subdevice #20: subdevice #20
Subdevice #21: subdevice #21
Subdevice #22: subdevice #22
Subdevice #23: subdevice #23
Subdevice #24: subdevice #24
Subdevice #25: subdevice #25
Subdevice #26: subdevice #26
Subdevice #27: subdevice #27
Subdevice #28: subdevice #28
Subdevice #29: subdevice #29
Subdevice #30: subdevice #30
Subdevice #31: subdevice #31
card 2: EMU0404 [E-mu 0404b [4002]], device 2: emu10k1 efx [Multichannel Capture/PT Playback]
Subdevices: 8/8
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 2: EMU0404 [E-mu 0404b [4002]], device 3: emu10k1 [Multichannel Playback]
Subdevices: 1/1
Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

[zob]

Thanks a lot Glynnux. That was very interesting to see. Not that I'm now know what the problem is. But I can see some interesting differences in your outputs and mine (refer to the first post in this thread, if you are interested).
Well, as for your problem. Have you ever tried to unplug your Alesis and, more importantly, turn of the build-in AC'97 sound card in BIOS. If not, go for it. And then see if you can mingle with the settings and find a record option for your 0404.
I can see that both your in's and out's on the EMU-card gets turned on. So theoretically you should be able to make it work.

Good luck. And thanks for your help.

PS. If you prefer not to use your build-in sound card for anything, you should turn it of in BIOS anyway IMHO. (It's probably listed as something like AC'97 under integrated peripherals.)

[Glynnux]

The onboard AC97 was only reconnected for a couple of days so my grandson could play a game on LinuxMint.

I had to crack on Saturday and fired up XP. Having found my Reason DVD I was able to put Reason back into working order and within an hour I had a drum track and guitar track recorded on Cubase.

I have to say that Cubase is a brilliant piece of software...and my latency is around 4ms.

It's interesting that I only have the EMU connected for XP and all sound works ..including capture.

Now I've started recording with Cubase again it has taken the pressure off so I will re-install Ubuntu Studio and see if I can get the EMU working in full Duplex. I'll approach it a little more scientifically this time and make more notes.

Sorry to veer slightly off topic. I'll keep checking your progress and post if my progress improves. I'd like to have Ubuntu Studio and Ardour working.

Glynn

[juppalo]

Eeh just a crazy idea... Might these problem have something to do with the diffrence between the 64bit version of ubuntu and the 32bit? I'm myself are running a 64 bit version and ain't getting it to work...

So well if you have a 64 where you got it to work.. please reply... cause reinstalling ubuntu seem like quite the fuzz atm for me