Originally Posted by acascianelli
[snip to sig in question]
"My will decides." ~ Adolf Hitler.
follow up message:
Originally Posted by dannemil
Ubuntu is supposed to be a welcoming and inclusive site. I believe in free speech, but as a Jew I find this quote incredibly offensive. I don't see why we even need to bring his poisonous views into a discussion of Ubuntu and Linux. Until now I've felt great about this community and the help that it provides, but imagine my shock when I read this quote by of one of history's worst murderer's. Whoever is moderating this forum should not tolerate such posts.
My followup to the above:
Originally Posted by moopere
You are joking right? You must be.
Are you trying to tell us here that the mere mention of this man's name, and perhaps a quote or two offends you? Should we also ban any statements by say Stalin, Amin, Hussein, Bush etc?
The thing with history is that you are bound to repeat it if you don't learn from it - learning from history as far as I can understand can't be done by pretending that certain things didn't happen or that certain individuals (or countries) didn't act in certain ways.
Racial/religious vilification is one thing, quoting innocuous historical statements is another (ever heard of free speech?) Perhaps a variation on the fiction "1984" where history is rewrittten to suit the present would be more to your liking and less likely to offend?
A couple of other posts sneak through before Azz (supermoderator) asks for discussion to be moved from the originating thread to a new thread as seen below :
I was just going to congratulate the members of the thread for not letting this derail the discussion....
Anyway, the issue is resolved. The code of conduct says to be respectful towards others and quoting that name, while not agaist any laws, is disrespectful to some and so I censored it.
This is a biggie, so if someone feels they need more than to just PM me to complain, we can open a thread about it in the forums discussion section. Use my name in the title, if you want.
So, on this thread, this issue is closed. Let's continue the topic at hand.
My response to Azz
"This is a biggie" (says Azz above)
You bet Azz, its huge.
I respect your decision to ask for closure of this subject on the other thread because it was a red herring introduced by Dannemil and was going to quite probably disrupt an otherwise useful thread. Sometimes moderators have to make a call, and you can't satisfy everyone in so doing.
Its a "You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't" scenario for which I have some sympathy, however, in a global forum, not one limited to the USA or to Israel, its probably not helpful to pander to people with sensitivities that are just unrealistic (precisely because of the global nature of this forum).
Was it the words quoted or the actual act of mentioning Hitler's name that caused the spark? As in my reply to Dannemil, should we all be somewhat sensitive to all the 'great satan's of our time? Stalin wasn't a very nice man, Amin certainly saw to the end of many Ugandans, Pinochet ruled Chile without a lot of empathy it seems.
"The world is more peaceful as a result of Saddam Hussein not being in power"
Seems harmless enough until you realise it is a quote from George W Bush
"The world is more peaceful as a result of Saddam Hussein not being in power." ~ GW Bush Monterrey, Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004
The added commentary from http://www.dubyaspeak.com/ is fitting:
-- Yeah, it's amazing how peaceful the world is now
This could well be seen as offensive my many in the Arab world, or people who love peace in general. Should I be offended by any post with a sig attributable to GW Bush?
Anyway, I should be commending you on not banning or 'having words' with acascianelli the poster with the sig which started all this.
In my own way I'm now guilty of overreacting to Dannemil's overreaction to acascianelli
I look forward to a similar even handed response to anyone who finds offense at any sig attributable to anyone else who might be an 'offensive person' to them .