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    Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    I've been using Virtualbox for all my Linux VMs and I'm very impressed with the package. I'd like to be able to run windows 98 in a VM but have been unable to alter the screen resolution from the basic 480 x 600 .

    It would appear that the usual way of doing this is using 'guest additions', but as I understand there are none for windows 98??

    Is there a way around this so I can achieve a modest 600 x 800 screen resolution?

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Use Sci-Tech Display Doctor version 7 beta. Major Geeks has it. Go to the Sci-Tech website and access their discontinued downloads where you'll be able to download the product keys for the older versions. They're giving them away. Perfectly legal. I've read that the same key for the last version 6 that they offer can also be used successfully on the 7 beta.

    You install the version 7 beta, restart Windows, and in Device Manager update the standard pci graphics adapter (VGA) to the Sci-Tech one in the list that appears when you choose to install a different driver and scroll through the Display Adapters to the Sci-Tech Corporation drivers. Reboot again, open up the Sci-tech control panel and you can even use 1024x768 Hi-Color!

    The other trick is using the latest Realtek AC97 Audio drivers, the Windows 95 VXD version, and update your Multimedia Audio Controller to it. Baam! Sound!

    Stuff like this is on the VirtualBox forums. I'm going to try this eventually on Debian Lenny, as the only Windows I'd want to virtualize is Windows 98SE. I've got a real drive with Vista on it (by choice, really!) I've got XP Pro, and used to do a dual-boot 98SE and XP, but figured I might as well have the latest Windows since I bought it. I actually use the Vista boot loader and BCDEasy to boot grub that is on my 2nd hard drive's Linux partition where Debian is. I wanted to keep the Vista boot loader so I can muck about with Windows all I want without Grub being effected. Let Windows destroy things. I'd just move Grub into the mbr if necessary.

    I want 98 so I can use a few programs that haven't worked on XP since they went to Service Pack 2 and of course won't work on Vista, and not on Wine or Dosbox either. Stupid things like Star Trek Captains Chair that don't need Direct 3D but won't run on newer Windows versions. Don't need them, but they're fun as is playing with virtual machine operating systems.

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    Oh, forgot to mention that less video memory allocation is actually better on VirtualBox. It defaults to 8MB, but changing it to 7MB has eliminated some problems for some folks. You certainly don't need more than that for what VirtualBox supports for Video anyway. You won't be playing any Direct 3D games!
    Last edited by Eck; January 1st, 2008 at 08:02 AM.

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Quote Originally Posted by Eck View Post
    Use Sci-Tech Display Doctor version 7 beta. Major Geeks has it. Go to the Sci-Tech website and access their discontinued downloads where you'll be able to download the product keys for the older versions. They're giving them away.
    I have just completed installing Win98SE as a virtual system in ubuntu 7.10 and I got stuck with a crappy 640x480x16 color screen and was hoping your solution may work.

    I was able to download the Display Doctor 7 beta exe, but I'm having NO LUCK finding anything about keys at the Sci-Tech website. Any suggestions?
    No longer using Ubuntu or MythBuntu but still highly recommend both!

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Bash;
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    VBoxManage setextradata "NameofYourVMHere" "CustomVideoMode1" "1024x768x32"
    Haven't tried it myself, just spotted it in the manual.

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Quote Originally Posted by |2eason View Post
    Bash;
    Code:
    VBoxManage setextradata "NameofYourVMHere" "CustomVideoMode1" "1024x768x32"
    Haven't tried it myself, just spotted it in the manual.
    Sorry, what is that for??

    I have the Display Doctor 7 Beta installed and I was able to increase my Virtual Machine win98 desktop from 640x480 to 800x600. I didn't try the 1024x768 yet but I see no reason why I can't go that big.

    Display Doctor 7 Beta has a 21 day trial... where do I find the key or whatever it is I need? That's my big question...
    No longer using Ubuntu or MythBuntu but still highly recommend both!

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Quote Originally Posted by freymann View Post
    Sorry, what is that for??
    From the manual;

    9.5 Custom VESA resolutions

    Apart from the standard VESA resolutions, the VirtualBox VESA BIOS allows you to add up to 16 custom video modes which will be reported to the guest operating system. When using Windows guests with the VirtualBox Guest Additions, a custom graphics driver will be used instead of the fallback VESA solution so this information does not apply.
    Additional video modes can be configured for each VM using the extra data facility. The extra data key is called CustomVideoMode<x> with x being a number from 1 to 16. Please note that modes will be read from 1 until either the following number is not defined or 16 is reached. The following example adds a video mode that corresponds to the native display resolution of many notebook computers:

    VBoxManage setextradata "Windows XP" "CustomVideoMode1" "1400x1050x16"
    Basically, you are in VESA mode because you don't have the proper drivers, this command allows you to config the VESA 'fallback'.
    Last edited by |2eason; January 4th, 2008 at 02:01 AM.

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    oh heck, it's OK. I managed to make things work here and am happily enjoying running my Windows 98 SE in a "virtual machine"

    Very neat!!

    Your tip about the Display Doctor was just what I needed though to make it worthwhile. Many thanks!
    No longer using Ubuntu or MythBuntu but still highly recommend both!

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    I've managed to find and install the version 7 beta of Display Doctor and can get the correct screen resolution. I have 21 days on the trial version.

    I've found the product keys for version 6 on the ftp download site but the version 6 key does not appear to work for me. Has anyone managed to do this?

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Heh heh, I even got software 3D working by turning on SciTech Display Doctor's GLDirect thing in compatibility (CAD) mode. It was fun doing the samples and seeing glxgears, airplanes flying, etc, on Windows 98SE. It was slow, but familiar as my first computer was a SiS5598 machine with onboard 4MB software Direct3D and was about this same speed.

    You know those sites that Windows users are forced to use all the time to get stuff to "generate" "unlocking" things for old software no longer sold, and even new software for poor folks? That's where you need to search for the SciTech Display Doctor 7 beta thingy to use it more than 21 days. Hint: Personal (type in your name), 1 (weird question, but I typed 1 and it continued), Pro. If you get it you'll understand. Mine had no nasties embedded, but be careful out there! Only works on your Windows guest. He he, I tried it with Wine but had to end the process as it couldn't open the dosbox display to use it.

    I did the whole Unofficial Auto-Patcher for Windows 98SE. 98SE2ME, and 98MP10 installations and have a fully updated and ready to have fun with Windows 98SE. For some reason my Windows 98 Startup floppy couldn't load the cdrom drivers and it froze there, but I substituted an OEM 98 Gold cdrom I had and installed from that fine. Then I used my 98SE Updates Cd (that $20 thing that upgrades 98 Gold to 98SE from a booted up GUI only), and upgraded to Second Edition.

    I used SciTech for the 1024x768 res, software 3D, and used Realtek's latest Windows 95 VXD driver download extracted with WinRAR and Device Manager updated the Audio Controller to it. Realtek's setup exe doesn't continue on anything but Windows 95 but extracting it gives you the whole thing to direct Device Manager to. You even get SoundBlaster MS-DOS within Windows sound drivers and a Wavetable midi driver (though midi skips).

    I haven't installed Rain20 yet that the Virtualbox user faq recommends to handle processor load, but I'll try that soon. Maybe it'll help speed it up a bit.

    I'll print out that VGA information posted here. Maybe that would help too, but since I already use the SciTech driver I probably already have that fixed through just using their driver. Not sure though. It works so I don't want to fiddle too much with the configuration.

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    Re: Guest additions for virtualbox using windows 98

    Hmm. It's kind of too slow to really enjoy. Rain20 perhaps saves my processor from running at 100%, but didn't speed up anything. I tried to up the video ram to 16MB from the 6MB I was using but haven't notice any difference from that either.

    I fed it 256MB memory right from the start, so that should be fine. Internet Explorer runs at a snails pace loading web pages, and some streaming Windows Media Player embedded videos were very herky jerky, although sounding fine in between the skips.

    I played the pinball game (I get that as part of 98SE2ME) and it correctly received and executed my keyboard entries correctly in real-time, so that's not too bad, but I did need to shoot the ball from the menu as the space bar caused a weird sound to play and didn't execute the plunger. Activating the midi music played it nicely with just slight skipping unless I went and actually played the game at the same time. Then it would just hesitate too much to make gameplay possible. So I turned that off. (I like that song while playing though!)

    Even Windows Explorer isn't all that snappy, but better than browsing the web.

    One main thing I like to have 98SE around for is Star Trek Captains Chair. That uses QuickTime and Shockwave. Good luck with that, eh? Flash advertisements work fine in Internet Explorer and the latest Shockwave is installed and working on the Adobe test page, but I just don't see an audio-video intensive application running smoothly based upon what I've tested so far. Gotta install a few more things before testing that out but I'm not optimistic.

    I added Avast to have its protection and it really isn't any slower because of it. I haven't added a firewall since with NAT networking the Linux firewall does that.

    I recall using VMWare Workstation 5.5 a while back, running a 98SE guest on a Windows XP host and the thing was pretty snappy. It effectively ran videos, games (not 3D of course) very well. Browsing the web was fine in IE or Firefox. I haven't even gotten to Firefox yet, but that is even more memory intensive than IE, so again I don't foresee a good experience.

    I have no idea whether the slowness is due to Virtualbox running an unsupported Windows or due to this being done on Linux rather than a Windows host. I'd think Windows would slow it down more. But I don't see how the Guest Additions would be any speedier than this since I'd really only be getting a video driver and SciTech Display Doctor takes care of that essentially the same way, I think.

    I'd be interested to hear anyone's experience with 98SE in Virtualbox on Linux regarding running it and getting acceptable performance. This thing is just too slow.

    Specs are an AthlonXP 3200+, Crucial 2x512MB PC3200 DDR-SDRAM, NVidia GeForce 6600GT, Audigy 2 ZS Platinum on an Epox EP-8KRAIPRO board.

    Maybe a newer generation motherboard, processor, memory would make the diffference? Or is it just Virtualbox?

    I have no problems running Dosbox on Linux, or several programs using Wine. Plenty of speed.

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