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    Question Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    Well I installed the debian SID repositories in Ubuntu

    #Debian
    /etc/apt/sources.list
    deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free #Sid

    # mplayer
    deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main #Multimedia

    I went to synaptic, and told it to prefer the latest versions always

    Now I'm downloading linux-image-2.6.12 as well as eclipse (both of them, were not in Ubuntu)

    I had to update initrd-tools though


    My question is

    1) Is Debian SID better than Ubuntu or the other way around?
    2) Am I going to break my system?
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    Xavier

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    1) I don't know

    2) Probably

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    1) Sid is more unstable than ubuntu, and etch would probably be the same "quality" as breezy is

    2) Yes, there are incompatibilities between ubuntu and debian as we have been doing transitions at different times to debian, for example, the gcc4 transition. This means that debian packages are binary incompatible with ubuntu, so unless you're building things from source, then you will break your system... and if you are building from source, you're going to have some problems anyway
    Regards,
    Mez
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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    Well Mez I see from your we have been doing transitions... that you're part of the Ubuntu team right?

    Well let me tell you something

    I was in love with Ubuntu, awesome distro.
    Then one day, Samba broked, really, I can't check my shares, not even from my local PC

    What should I do in this cases?
    I mean part of Ubuntu's 'magic' is its great support, but I suppose that some package from the repositories (I use backports) broked samba

    Here is the link to my samba post:
    http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48205

    Here is the list of packages that I installed, the day in which I remember was the last day in which Samba worked:

    Commit Log for Tue Aug 9 07:42:18 2005


    Removed the following packages:
    gnome-volume-manager
    gwget
    hplip-base
    hplip-data
    mplayer-386

    Installed the following packages:
    3ddesktop (0.2.7-1ubuntu1)
    acidrip (0.14-0.0)
    aegis-virus-scanner (0.1.0-1)
    alsaplayer (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-alsa (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-common (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-daemon (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-esd (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-gtk (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-nas (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-oss (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
    alsaplayer-xosd (0.99.76-0.2ubuntu2)
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    So what I am saying is that I've heard comments that Debian is really stable, even if you use Mepis, and download stuff from the 'testing' and 'unstable' repositories

    I really dislike to have a 'perfect' distro, and from one day from another (I even tried reinstalling samba, installing previous versions...) samba stops working at all

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mez
    1) Sid is more unstable than ubuntu, and etch would probably be the same "quality" as breezy is

    2) Yes, there are incompatibilities between ubuntu and debian as we have been doing transitions at different times to debian, for example, the gcc4 transition. This means that debian packages are binary incompatible with ubuntu, so unless you're building things from source, then you will break your system... and if you are building from source, you're going to have some problems anyway
    I was using Testing(etch), and a week ago I switched to Unstable. The system has been very stable. I'm actually surprised at it, the X.Org transition went smoothly, the udev installation, etc. installed and are funcioning fine.
    Are you into the White-Plastic Life-Style?

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    So what is the correct way to use Debian?

    Should I download the entire 2 DVD Sid release, then download the Testing (etch) and then download sid?

    I don't know but from my experience Debian is the most difficult distro to install

    When I tested the previous version (woody), it was the absolute only distro (believe me, I've tested a dozen) that wasn't even able to show me a graphical display
    Man that was 1980 for me, so I never tested again

    Then camed Mepis, amazing, but it's update process was incompatible (from 2004.06 to 3.3)

    And then came Ubuntu, everything works fine here

    Except that samba broked, I don't know why

    However I belive that Debian and the Debian based distros are amazing, the true spirit of open source (plus, the distros that deal better with my hardware, only distros that are able to boot Vmware Workstation 5 with full HD 160GB+ detection)

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    Might I suggest adding as few packages at a single time as possible rather than going through synaptic and choosing packages at random just to see what they do? If you want to play with something new, install that and just that. This makes it possible to tell what hosed your system and when.

    There is absolutely no reason to add a bazillion packages like you did.

    I'm willing to bet you need to reinstall gnome volume manager btw.

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    what is gnome volume manager?

    Well from my point of view if you use SuSE 9.2 and install absolutely everything that comes with it, I see no reason for it to brake

    Problem here with Ubuntu is that I'm using backports, maybe that was the problem?
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    Regards
    Xavier

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    If you don't know what it is, you shouldn't have removed it. That's kinda like removing the transmission from your car so that you'll have more room for car stereo gear.

    http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/gno...volume-manager

    Universe is ported from the unstable branch of debian and is not official supported. That means you're taking your chances by using it. Most stuff there works fine but I've found that there are a few broken packages that can screw up your system. If you only install one package and its deps at a time, it's easy to see where the problem started and undo it.

    SuSE is a commercial product that costs the better part of $100. Ubuntu is free. It's not fair to compare the two.

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    Re: Debian SID Respositores in Ubuntu

    From what I know you can download SuSE Professional 9.2 from www.novell.com/linux

    And apart from that (believe me), I think that Ubuntu IS better than SuSE

    I mean, there is nothing better than apt-get (I've tested many many distros)

    The problem right now is that I THINK that the unstable branch of Debian seems more stable than the 'universe' or 'backports' repositories of Ubuntu

    I've posted my question at Ubuntuforums, Linuxquestions, read the Samba HowTO, and now I even registered at the Samba lists

    Really, I need this machine to work (samba, Vmware, Crossover...) and the worst part is that it was working fine before that update

    I went through the entire repository, and checked all the packages. I didn't "randomly" selected the packages, allthough now I recognize that there were too many packages at once.

    Any suggestions?
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    Regards
    Xavier

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