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    Thumbs down Lesson Learned....LTS

    Today I learned a great Lesson. LTS doesn't mean Long Term Support. lol.
    After helping a friend out today. I found out 6.06 doesn't have Firefox 2.x in the repo. I am sure there will be some "hard-core" user "try" to explain the reason, But I am too a "hard-core" user and I find this kind of dumb. Thought Ubuntu was trying to push into the Enterprise...dang, I have been pushing Ubuntu (6.06LTS) as that...but who wants to use old version of broken software. The next "LTS" that comes out, should be a bit MORE focused. Hey it's great to have the latest and greatest. But let's at least keep the LTS current.

    no using unsupported 3rd party apps to install a standard app in "other" OSes is not an option.

    Anywhoo...I moved onto 7.04...I'll wait for Gold version of LTS *wink*

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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    You do realize that LTS doesn't mean that it will include the latest packages, it means that you will get security updates for five years.

    I believe that you can enable the Dapper Drake Backports repository though.
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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    Are talking about known broken software? Can you provide details???

    As the previous poster mentions, the purpose of enterprise software is not to be bleeding edge, but rather use stable and tested versions.

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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    LTS aims for stability, not for up-to-date packages
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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    well, that was a rant for nothing. second great Lesson of the day?

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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    Yes, it aims at stability and long term support. It doesn't mean it will have the latest version of a piece of software. If you really want Firefox 2 on Dapper try Ubuntuzilla.
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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    And besides, not having the latest packages isn't a trait specific to LTS versions; it applies to every stable release. Once a release is stable, it only gets security updates and fixes for critical bugs, unless you use backports.
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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    Quote Originally Posted by rbalfour View Post
    Today I learned a great Lesson. LTS doesn't mean Long Term Support. lol.
    After helping a friend out today. I found out 6.06 doesn't have Firefox 2.x in the repo. I am sure there will be some "hard-core" user "try" to explain the reason, But I am too a "hard-core" user and I find this kind of dumb. Thought Ubuntu was trying to push into the Enterprise...dang, I have been pushing Ubuntu (6.06LTS) as that...but who wants to use old version of broken software. The next "LTS" that comes out, should be a bit MORE focused. Hey it's great to have the latest and greatest. But let's at least keep the LTS current.

    no using unsupported 3rd party apps to install a standard app in "other" OSes is not an option.

    Anywhoo...I moved onto 7.04...I'll wait for Gold version of LTS *wink*

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    You are so right. Stable doesn't have to mean old. Packages should be upgraded to their latest stable releases, which would certainly include the version of Firefox you've mentioned.
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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    yep. Since firefox 2.0 came out after dapper, to avoid breaking other things in the system they didnt upgrade firefox.

    Install it manually from mozilla or search for a deb on like getdeb.net if you really want it in dapper
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    Re: Lesson Learned....LTS

    Code:
    bruce@Scooby-Dum:~$ apt-cache rdepends firefox
    firefox
    Reverse Depends:
      zekr
     |tiemu
     |sun-java6-plugin
     |sun-java5-plugin
     |mozilla-mplayer
      j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
      flashplugin-nonfree
     |xfig-doc
     |wysihtml-el
     |wmnetselect
     |webhttrack
      ubuntustudio-desktop
     |tilp
      peercast-handlers
     |nip2
      mythbuntu-desktop
     |mozplugger
     |mozilla-venkman
     |mozilla-tabextensions
      mozilla-stumbleupon
      mozilla-plugin-pcmanx
     |mozilla-openoffice.org
     |mozilla-nukeimage
      mozilla-livehttpheaders
     |mozilla-imagezoom
     |mozilla-firefox-adblock
     |mozilla-diggler
      mozilla-ctxextensions
     |mozilla-bookmarksftp
     |mozilla-bonobo
     |mozilla-biofox
      mozilla-beagle
      monodevelop
      miro
      listen
     |lastfm
      junior-internet
      hunspell-uz
      hunspell-de-de
      hunspell-de-ch
      hunspell-de-at
     |gcjwebplugin-4.2
     |gcjwebplugin-4.1
      galeon
      firefox-webdeveloper
      firefox-webdeveloper
     |firefox-sage
      firefox-launchpad-plugin
      firefox-greasemonkey
      firefox-greasemonkey
      firefox-dom-inspector
      firefox-dom-inspector
     |fibusql
     |endeavour2
      education-standalone
     |centerim-utf8
     |centerim-fribidi
     |centerim
      yelp
      xubuntu-desktop
     |xdg-utils
      ubuntu-serverguide
      ubuntu-desktop
      ubufox
      packaging-guide
     |openoffice.org
      mozilla-firefox-locale-zu
      mozilla-firefox-locale-zu
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-zu
      mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-tw
      mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-tw
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-tw
      mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-cn
      mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-cn
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-cn
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-sk
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-sk
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ru-ru
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ru-ru
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ru-ru
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ro-ro
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ro-ro
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ro-ro
      mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-pt
      mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-pt
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br
      mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-br
      mozilla-firefox-locale-pl-pl
      mozilla-firefox-locale-pl-pl
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-pl-pl
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-nl-nl
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-ko
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ko
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ka-ge
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ja-jp
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ja-jp
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ja-jp
      mozilla-firefox-locale-it-it
      mozilla-firefox-locale-it-it
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-it-it
      mozilla-firefox-locale-hu-hu
      mozilla-firefox-locale-hu-hu
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-hu-hu
      mozilla-firefox-locale-he-il
      mozilla-firefox-locale-he-il
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-he-il
      mozilla-firefox-locale-gu-in
      mozilla-firefox-locale-gu-in
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-gu-in
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ga-ie
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     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ga-ie
      mozilla-firefox-locale-fy-nl
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     |mozilla-firefox-locale-fy-nl
      mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr
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     |mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr
      mozilla-firefox-locale-fi-fi
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     |mozilla-firefox-locale-fi-fi
      mozilla-firefox-locale-eu
      mozilla-firefox-locale-eu
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
      mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
      mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk
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     |mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk
      mozilla-firefox-locale-cs-cz
      mozilla-firefox-locale-cs-cz
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-cs-cz
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ca
      mozilla-firefox-locale-ca
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-ca
      mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-be
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-ar
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      mozilla-firefox-locale-af
      mozilla-firefox-locale-af
     |mozilla-firefox-locale-af
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      firefox-libthai
      firefox-gnome-support
      firefox-dev
      firefox-dbg
     |epydoc-doc
      epiphany-browser
      edubuntu-desktop
      devhelp
    Want to rebuild all the above packages?

    Firefox 1.5 -> 2.0 was boring, the only reason people think it's a big jump us Mozilla's stupid version numbering policy. The internal Gecko version number went from 1.8 to 1.8.1 between 1.5 and 2.0, this is a better indication of how much happened.
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