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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Beamerboy View Post
    There should be no "spam" of Apple or any other proprietary products in Cafe or any of the other forums on this board. It goes against the very principles behind Ubuntu.
    I have read through the thread in question (which I found on my own, even though I asked you for a link). The iPod was not being "spammed," it was being appreciated by someone who liked it. That is appropriate in the Cafe, just as a thread about "I really like the new Lenovo ThinkPad T61" would be.

    Your opinion is just that, yours. Others may not share it. That does not make them wrong.

    Kiwi, in the thread, merely stated the same thing I am saying now, in different words. He was not out of line in any way.

    I also read the chat logs from your #ubuntuforums rant on the topic. You obviously have some strong opinions on the topic. The administration here disagrees with you. You either need to learn to live with that, or walk away...or at least you might consider not posting when you are angry/upset/frustrated, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew View Post
    I have read through the thread in question (which I found on my own, even though I asked you for a link). The iPod was not being "spammed," it was being appreciated by someone who liked it. That is appropriate in the Cafe, just as a thread about "I really like the new Lenovo ThinkPad T61" would be.

    Your opinion is just that, yours. Others may not share it. That does not make them wrong.

    Kiwi, in the thread, merely stated the same thing I am saying now, in different words. He was not out of line in any way.

    I also read the chat logs from your #ubuntuforums rant on the topic. You obviously have some strong opinions on the topic. The administration here disagrees with you. You either need to learn to live with that, or walk away...or at least you might consider not posting when you are angry/upset/frustrated, etc.
    Actually according to the rules of this resolution forum, I don't need to walk away, I can take it to the Ubuntu CC. Please advise me on how I would do that. I simply will not accept that it is OK for a staff member to threaten and attempt to intimidate users in PM.

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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    In post 14 I offered a compromise . Care to respond ?
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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Beamerboy View Post
    Actually according to the rules of this resolution forum, I don't need to walk away, I can take it to the Ubuntu CC. Please advise me on how I would do that. I simply will not accept that it is OK for a staff member to threaten and attempt to intimidate users in PM.

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    Find the CC agenda wiki page. Put an item on the agenda. Wait for a meeting.

    For the record, here is the iPod thread being discussed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=543926

    We also have the IRC logs saved and I'm sure Kiwi will save copies of all PMs.
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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Your next point of appeal is the Forum Council
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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    But maybe its a valid point that we create a hardware section similar to other OS talk
    My apologies I missed the last line. I presume the above is what you are referring to? Yes that would be an acceptable compromise. However, I still feel I am owed an apology for your behaviour in PM.

    I spend my entire life standing up for the rights of others and I am very well known for it, using you position as a means to try and intimidate others is nothing short of bully tactics and it is wrong (and goes against the CoC).

    If you are willing to apologise for that behaviour, I am willing to drop the issue as a good faith gesture.

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    errr I pointed out that I was a Council member as you said you were going to report me to the Forum Council.
    I thought it only fair to advise you of that.

    I also advised you that I was not prepared to allow you ito insult me. I will not apologise for that . And I am considering additional action but will wait until this issue is dealt with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beamerboy View Post
    My apologies I missed the last line. I presume the above is what you are referring to? Yes that would be an acceptable compromise. However, I still feel I am owed an apology for your behaviour in PM.

    I spend my entire life standing up for the rights of others and I am very well known for it, using you position as a means to try and intimidate others is nothing short of bully tactics and it is wrong (and goes against the CoC).

    If you are willing to apologise for that behaviour, I am willing to drop the issue as a good faith gesture.

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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiNZ View Post
    errr I pointed out that I was a Council member as you said you were going to report me to the Forum Council.
    I thought it only fair to advise you of that.

    I also advised you that I was not prepared to allow you ito insult me. I will not apologise for that . And I am considering additional action but will wait until this issue is dealt with.
    I did not insult you. You PM'd me saying I should respect you, I explained that respect needs to be earned and is not granted by default. Your response to that was to threaten to ban me on the back of stating you were an Admin and Forum Council member.

    It is my opinion, that the correct response to me stating I intended to report you, would have been to advise me of the correct route to make a complaint, not to threaten to ban me.

    If you fell I "insulted" you please feel free to post the PM where I did so.

    I confess to calling you a moron on irc and I apologised to the channel for doing so as it was reactionary and uncalled for. You were not there and therefore I could not apologise to you directly, however, I admit that was wrong and apologise for it now.

    If you are willing to accept you also acted inappropriately in PM then we can get on with enjoying the forum instead of continuing this further. Whether you intended to act in a threatening and intimidating manner or not, is irrespective, that is certainly how your message came across.

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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Your escalation routes are to:

    (1) Add this to the ForumCouncilAgenda and appeal to a formal Forum Council meeting
    (2) Add this to the CommunityCouncilAgenda and attend a CommunityCouncil meeting.
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    Re: Moderator/Admin Abuse

    Well I will give this thread 24 hours to run its course and give KiwiNZ a chance to apologise. However, if he feels he is unable to make that apology, I will have to take this further as indicated by jdong above.

    Incidentally, it might be useful to update the guidelines at the top of this forum, there is no reference to the forum council meetings, merely a reference to the Ubuntu Council meeting. It would probably also be useful to link to where the relevant agendas are in the same guidelines.

    Paladine

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