View Poll Results: What does "ready for the desktop" mean to you?

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  • Any person can install it on any computer without any problems

    1,609 34.95%
  • Anyone can use it once it's already been installed and configured

    2,414 52.43%
  • Every commercial application works on it

    453 9.84%
  • Nothing--it's a nonsensical term

    704 15.29%
  • It automatically detects most hardware without the need to hunt down drivers

    2,236 48.57%
  • It comes preinstalled on computers so novice users don't have to install it

    889 19.31%
  • It's suitable to the needs of most beginner users but not necessarily to most intermediate ones

    568 12.34%
  • Windows and nothing else... not even Mac OS X

    46 1.00%
  • Works on my desktop

    1,199 26.04%
  • Other (please explain)

    166 3.61%
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Thread: Linux Desktop Readiness Thread

  1. #121
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    May 2005
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    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoTiG
    You can fix the stall at the boot for network devices (if the cable is unplugged) by
    sudo gedit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf

    and change timout from 60 to 1 or 5 seconds. no real reason to have anything but 1.
    Neat, thanks!

    OTOH, my sound and wireless networking (which I had gotten working previously) seem to have stopped working since my last boot. *thinks* Maybe it was that kernel update a few days ago? I'm gonna try re-fixing them...

    Edit: Got them working again
    Last edited by MechR; May 26th, 2005 at 02:02 AM.

  2. #122
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    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    I voted 'need to wait a little longer'. Ubuntu is a great OS but I don't think it has enough automation for the average user. For example, I don't think most average users would have the patience to research and learn how to install the things they need to get mp3, mpg, and other things to work properly.

  3. #123
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    May 2005
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    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    Yup same here: 'need to wait a little longer.' Ubuntu is a great distro, but it simly refuses to work out of the box. Want a higher screen resolution? Sorry, you can't just adjust a slider, you'll have to go in and edit a file through a terminal with root privileges. Want to play mp3 and wma files? You'll have to go days searching the internet and posting on the forums to find the script that sucessfully installs the package that just wouldn't work. Want to boot into Windows? Sorry, Grub didn't quite get that right, and now you'll have to change boot priority to select OS's. Have a wireless network card or ATI video card? You can't depend on those working. Want to.... well, you get my point.

    Now don't get me wrong, I love Ubuntu. I have the technical know-how to pick around all these problems. I'm not leaving Ubuntu anytime soon: these problems are too little to cause me to change. But what about the average user? What about the person who has never used a computer before? How is he supposed to know what to do when trouble strikes?

  4. #124
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    Ubuntu

    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    Want to play mp3 and wma files? You'll have to go days searching the internet and posting on the forums to find the script that sucessfully installs the package that just wouldn't work.
    This I can relate with this VERY well. However...

    Want a higher screen resolution? Sorry, you can't just adjust a slider, you'll have to go in and edit a file through a terminal with root privileges. -- Want to boot into Windows? Sorry, Grub didn't quite get that right, and now you'll have to change boot priority to select OS's.
    I didn't have any problem with this.

  5. #125
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    May 2005
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    Ubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin

    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    Quote Originally Posted by cinematography
    This I can relate with this VERY well. However...


    I didn't have any problem with this.
    I did. That was a big barrier in me even trying Ubuntu. Mepis had my monitor settings right away.

  6. #126
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    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    Quote Originally Posted by cinematography
    This I can relate with this VERY well.
    Installing just the ffmpeg GStreamer plugin (probably from multi/universe) seems to have worked for me. That was something I tried on my own, though... most instructions seem to be along the lines of "add the marillat repositories to your apt sources and get w32codecs," which for me has never gone smoothly Totem-xine also used to work, but last I checked, no longer does.
    I didn't have any problem with this.
    I actually did; my laptop's widescreen resolution wasn't being picked up (neither by Mepis nor Ubuntu), and I had to read around to get the answer.

  7. #127
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    Re: ubuntu ready for end-users?

    Originally Posted by aysiu
    I did. That was a big barrier in me even trying Ubuntu. Mepis had my monitor settings right away.
    And for me it was exactly the opposite, Mepis giving me the "you have passed an undefined video mode" error that I wasn't able to solve, which was the end of Mepis for me. Just goes to show the extremely wide variety of hardware out there and the difficulty Linux has coping.

    Also shows that this poll could be labeled is Linux ready, not just ubuntu.

    Apple may have the last laugh, sticking to their own hardware that will work for anyone using OS X. Here's a recent article where both Debian and ubuntu lost out to OS X. read about it >>>

    Saving grace for Linux is price, but it needs to move fast to improve the user experience.

  8. #128
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    ubuntu: not ready for prime time

    I've just tried the live cd on my notebook (toshiba m45) and once again I find that linux is still a long way from becoming a usable os. The cd worked fine and I was able to run the os, but I wasn't able to configure my modem properly and my wireless connection, and software as simple as Totem didn't work.

    The modem (Intel AC'97 rev04) is not autodetected and the wireless connection (Intel 2200bg) isn't even available in the networking tool reachable from the system menu.

    Totem says that some "resource is busy or not available" and that's it.

    The obscure Device Manager lists both devices but there's nothing to be done with it. No help, no clues, nothing.

    Compare that to what happens when I run Windows XP and it's clear that it's not a viable alternative.

    Nowadays 99% of the users just want to boot and be online, etc without spending hours in forums, trying to understand arcane command line tools,
    or having to recompile the kernel (!). That is just the Middle Age of computing...

    I know it's free and I recognize it's great, but it can't be advertised as a Windows alternative because it's not. I've been trying to switch to Linux for 5 years (last time I tried RH9) and I guess I'll have to wait a few more years.

  9. #129
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    Re: ubuntu: not ready for prime time

    Quote Originally Posted by potomacus
    I've just tried the live cd on my notebook (toshiba m45) and once again I find that linux is still a long way from becoming a usable os. The cd worked fine and I was able to run the os, but I wasn't able to configure my modem properly and my wireless connection, and software as simple as Totem didn't work.

    The modem (Intel AC'97 rev04) is not autodetected and the wireless connection (Intel 2200bg) isn't even available in the networking tool reachable from the system menu.

    Totem says that some "resource is busy or not available" and that's it.

    The obscure Device Manager lists both devices but there's nothing to be done with it. No help, no clues, nothing.

    Compare that to what happens when I run Windows XP and it's clear that it's not a viable alternative.

    Nowadays 99% of the users just want to boot and be online, etc without spending hours in forums, trying to understand arcane command line tools,
    or having to recompile the kernel (!). That is just the Middle Age of computing...

    I know it's free and I recognize it's great, but it can't be advertised as a Windows alternative because it's not. I've been trying to switch to Linux for 5 years (last time I tried RH9) and I guess I'll have to wait a few more years.
    Sounds like a short between the keyboard and the seat.

  10. #130
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    Nov 2004
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    Kubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin

    Re: ubuntu: not ready for prime time

    but most windows users buy their systems with windows installed, if you did the same thing with a configured linux system i bet your experience would would be similar and linux systems can be bought and have support... I do know MS windows users who can't even re-install windows so your comparison is kinda flawed.
    ~
    Desktop:ASRock P4i65GV/P4 2.8ghz 2gbram
    Laptop:Toshiba L350-PSLD8C Centrino64 dualcore 2ghz 4gbram

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