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    Vorian,

    Just to clarify: #ubuntu-ohio on Freenode, right?

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

    Quote Originally Posted by po0f View Post
    Vorian,

    Just to clarify: #ubuntu-ohio on Freenode, right?
    That's the place! There are usually a few of us on, you are welcome to join in anytime

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

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    Dan Buch
    Hello all!

    In response to all this this talk about an installfest, I wanted to
    represent the Linux noob demographic in the best way I know how. I've
    got some admittedly open-ended questions that I really don't want
    answered so much as I'd like to see the resulting discussion produce
    some ideas and opinions that might make their way into the global LoCo
    Team sphere.

    What is the purpose of an Installfest?

    How does this goal fit into our mission of fixing Bug #1?

    What are the potential downsides of an Installfest, if any?

    Is the term "Installfest" too ambiguous? Too daunting to the new
    user? Is another, more Ubuntu-like name for the thing in order?

    - - - - - - - - - -
    # insert closing rant here

    Please understand that I'm firmly biased in all of my opinions and
    that I have absolutely no interest in promoting the traditionally
    clique-y, ubernerd side of Linux any more than is painfully necessary.
    I believe that we should be emphasizing the concept of "humanity to
    others" in everything that we do, with a further emphasis on "we," as
    in "we, the ever-growing and amazingly inclusive Ubuntu Community."

    Cheers, y'all
    Rantfully yours,
    Dan Buch

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

    Scott Merrill wrote

    Aloha.

    > In response to all this this talk about an installfest, I wanted to
    > represent the Linux noob demographic in the best way I know how. I've
    > got some admittedly open-ended questions that I really don't want
    > answered so much as I'd like to see the resulting discussion produce
    > some ideas and opinions that might make their way into the global LoCo
    > Team sphere.

    I'll provide some answers, from my perspective, in hopes of generating
    some discussion (since none has yet started).

    > What is the purpose of an Installfest?

    The purpose of an InstallFest is to have knowledgeable people on-hand to
    help guide new users through the installation and initial configuration
    of a GNU/Linux computer. Sometimes oddball hardware can throw a new
    user for a loop, and lead to a non-functional computer. Many times
    these hardware problems are easily worked around, but if one doesn't
    have experience troubleshooting a GNU/Linux system, they're likely to
    give up, and dismiss GNU/Linux entirely.

    Most people don't want to be computer experts. Computers are still
    deeply complicated, unintuitive devices, and require a lot of effort to
    master. Most people don't want to exert the effort to master a
    computer, and are content to use it sub-optimally in order to get on
    with what they want to do. If an expert can help them through the
    initial bits (which are sometimes the most challenging), then the user
    can get on with using the computer.

    After all, how many users install Microsoft Windows? Most systems come
    pre-loaded with Microsoft Windows, such that the user never need to do
    it. And system restore discs ask very few questions (and certainly none
    of the installation routine's questions) before pushing out the virgin
    image.

    By walking a new user through the installation process, you help
    demystify the system, at least a little bit. There's ample time during
    the installation to talk about (in layman-friendly language) the
    GNU/Linux security model, what a "multi-user multi-tasking" operating
    system really is, etc.

    > How does this goal fit into our mission of fixing Bug #1?

    Many people simply aren't aware of what a GNU/Linux desktop can do.
    They hear "Linux" in more and more media outlets, but it's still a
    mysterious thing to most folks. By helping people get their hands on
    GNU/Linux, and by ensuring that they have a fully functional system, we
    increase the likelihood that these people will adopt Free Software in
    future decision-making situations.

    > What are the potential downsides of an Installfest, if any?

    Some oddball hardware simply won't work. Soft modems (so called
    "winmodems") can pose special challenges, for example. Some wireless
    network cards require special firmware; or video cards require some
    jiggery-pokery to work (the Intel chipset in my laptop, for example,
    took some modest effort to display anything greater than 1024x768).

    Additionally, some people won't have the patience to deal with some of
    GNU/Linux's idiosyncracies. _A lot_ of people have grown so used to
    Microsoft Windows, and it's set of idiosyncracies, that learning a new
    operating system is too taxing to be worth the final outcome (and,
    unfortunately, many people poo-poo the final outcome of "free software",
    since in many respects most proprietary software is "free enough" for them.)

    Folks have learned to live with rebooting a computer to solve a problem.
    They're used to the opaque troubleshooting they've learned through
    years of exposure to the Windows monoculture, and aren't interested in
    the freedoms offered by Free Software.

    > Is the term "Installfest" too ambiguous? Too daunting to the new
    > user? Is another, more Ubuntu-like name for the thing in order?

    In my experience so far, it's a perfectly appropriate word. It
    accurately describes the primary activity of the event, and it's not too
    alien that laypeople will be left wondering what it's all about.

    > Please understand that I'm firmly biased in all of my opinions and
    > that I have absolutely no interest in promoting the traditionally
    > clique-y, ubernerd side of Linux any more than is painfully necessary.
    > I believe that we should be emphasizing the concept of "humanity to
    > others" in everything that we do, with a further emphasis on "we," as
    > in "we, the ever-growing and amazingly inclusive Ubuntu Community."

    The "ubernerd" side of GNU/Linux advocacy has its place. Systems
    administrators like to know they can get stuff done, and know the ins
    and outs of the systems they manage. GNU/Linux provides vastly more
    robust system logging than Microsoft Windows; so one is able to more
    precisely diagnose problems. Source code is available, so one is able
    to research (or contract someone else to research) specific problems and
    their solutions in a depth simply unavailable in proprietary systems.

    Home users won't care about any of that, of course. What home users
    care about are being able to read emails (complete with photo
    attachments from relatives), manage their own collection of digital
    photos, perhaps scan some documents, and usually listen to music --
    often now involving playlist management with mobile media devices like
    iPods.

    Home users want to know that their printers will print, and that they
    won't need to fuss with output settings every time. They want to be
    able to send email, purchase items at Amazon and eBay, and watch the
    funny greeting card animations sent by relatives. Instant messaging is
    also pretty important.

    Most home users are sick and tired of computer viruses and email spam.
    We can win them on the former, and are making good strides (on both
    platforms) on the latter. GNU/Linux, and its UNIX underpinnings, have a
    different fundamental design that makes them more robust against virus
    attacks. There's little real need for anti-virus software on a
    GNU/Linux computer.

    Additionally, the default installation of most GNU/Linux systems
    (Ubuntu, certainly) provides users with an assortment of immediately
    useful software. Instant messaging, photo management and manipulation,
    email and web browsing, plus a full office productivity suite. In my
    experience so far, most home users are genuinely pretty satisfied with
    what Ubuntu has to offer. And at zero cost, they're at least willing to
    listen to the sales pitch...

    But it's not perfect. Many users have specific software they want to
    use, like Quicken or QuickBooks. There is no decent free software
    alternative to these applications. There's a real lack of games on
    GNU/Linux, too. And finally, the operating system and all of these free
    applications delivered with it have a steep learning curve, and most
    home users don't have a GNU/Linux expert they can call. Almost all home
    users know someone who's a "Windows whiz", who can help them out of
    trouble. At the worst, many people are comfortable shelling out
    $50/hour for a "professional" at Best Buy or Microcenter to diagnose and
    resolve the problems for them.

    It's this last bit, I think, that an InstallFest really works to
    address. When you sit side-by-side with an expert to install GNU/Linux,
    you're given the opportunity to make a real, personal connection. When
    you run into trouble later, you know there are people who can help you.
    Hopefully the experts left their phone number, or some means of
    contacting them later. And you know that all the other people present
    at the InstallFest are likely learning things you don't know, so you can
    call some of them to ask for help.

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

    Dan Wrote

    > How does this goal fit into our mission of fixing Bug #1?

    Bug #1 can be found here:
    https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1

    Cheers,
    Dan
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    Bug #1

    Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
    This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix
    Microsoft has a majority market share | Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
    Steps to repeat:
    1. Visit a local PC store.
    What happens:
    2. Observe that a majority of PC's for sale have non-free software pre-installed
    3. Observe very few PC's with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed
    What should happen:
    1. A majority of the PC's for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu
    2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
    3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

    Steve wrote:

    Hey!
    > What is the purpose of an Installfest?

    Thanks Scott for that description

    > How does this goal fit into our mission of fixing Bug #1?

    Fizzle had a great Idea at the meeting last night of expo/fair in place
    of an all out install fest.
    It would give us an opportunity to show off what Ubuntu can do. Can we
    install it if someone asks, sure. Should that be the primary objective,
    no (at least not on the face)
    Linux, Ubuntu is not for everyone. I bet each of us have a completely
    different reason for switching to Ubuntu.


    > Is another, more Ubuntu-like name for the thing in order?

    Ubuntu Fest (feisty Fawn Fest) There is a release in April, maybe that
    should be considered as an alternative....


    Happy Day
    ~Steve

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

    I think this is a great idea. Definitely something that we need to do. I'm glad we're planning so soon.

    I would definitely be available to help out with any event in the Columbus/Grove City area...

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    Re: March Madness Install Fest!

    Hey, this is right up my alley.

    I head the CamLUG which is all of THREE, PHEAR, THREE users strong. CamLUG, for those that have not heard of it and I'm sure you have not, is the Cambridge, OH LUG. We have a dotcom site that promotes our group and the business I run (into the ground, that) that supports the group. We've had zero news in like four months, but this would be the perfect thing to revitalize the group.

    As said previously in the thread by the fellow from New Philly, Eastern Ohio now has no real LUG other than mine, and mine hardly counts as a full fledged LUG.

    Initially I thought running an Eastern Ohio Installfest would be well served by the brand new Cambridge library, since they offer free meeting rooms to the public and there's free wireless on campus. Naturally, newly installed systems won't have NDISwrapper or the drivers for it, but I could easily get around that to get net access to wired systems by setting up a gateway wireless-to-wired and running a switch off that to the users.

    Either that, or we can run it out of my home, which has 8MBps/2MBps DSL. I'd have to worry about electrical capacity if I did that but I think the bonus of not having to lug my systems out and about would offset that. It's not like there's going to be sudden massive interest in the OS around here that would cause me to need to upgrade my electrical panel.

    Give me a couple days to talk to my wife and friends and CamLUG members and see what they think. If all goes well, we can have an Eastern Ohio Installfest too.

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