View Poll Results: what was harder to make ?

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  • the GNU Project

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Thread: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

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    Question Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    most of us don't give much credit to Richard stallman, the head of the GNU project.
    without him there was no "GNU/Linux" today.
    but most of us still calling Linux "Linux" and not "GNU/Linux"
    yeah without Linus we still be empty handed, but his work was the final part.
    BTW stallman is working for years on his new Kernel HURD, that will work with his GNU project.

    so my question is that :
    what IYHO was harder to make the Linux Kernel or the GNU project or maybe HURD (that still on the making) ?

    Links :
    Linux Kernel : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
    GNU : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU
    GNU/HURD project : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurd

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    The kernel is certainly a more complex project. However, this is no reason to call the entire operating system by the name of the kernel.
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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    Stallman had/has very little to do with the HURD.

    GNU is a collection of software so kind of vague as to what you are talking about. All of these are GNU projects
    http://directory.fsf.org/GNU/

    One of the most important IMO is coreutils which is composed of the following
    http://www.gnu.org/software/textutils/textutils.html
    http://www.gnu.org/software/fileutils/fileutils.html
    http://www.gnu.org/software/shellutils/shellutils.html

    I do not discredit the importance of the kernel but I also do not discredit the importance of the basic utils that make the kernel usable to me.

    So to me nobody is going to JUST use a kernel and nobody is going to JUST use GNU software so I think a "system" would be composed of both and reflected in the name. So yes I think that is important enough to warrant the name GNU+Linux.

    The Hurd has taken so long because it is not a race. It is not something that is a dire need. It is more (IMO) of a experiment.

    I think the poll is a bit confusing since you seem to ask which was harder to make, yet seem to be discussing the name situation. Obviously if the HURD has taken 10 years and is something of a totally unique design then it would stand to reason that *technically* the Hurd is the hardest tomake.
    Last edited by deanlinkous; November 10th, 2006 at 06:19 PM.

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    Quote Originally Posted by deanlinkous View Post
    So to me nobody is going to JUST use a kernel and nobody is going to JUST use GNU software so I think a "system" would be composed of both and reflected in the name. So yes I think that is important enough to warrant the name GNU+Linux.
    I don't think GNU+Linux is fair. It doesn't give credit to the developers of all the components that goes into the modern distro. I will refer to my OS as KDE/GNU/Firefox/Thunderbird/Amarok/VI/xterm/OpenOffice/Linux/GIMP/Kino/MPlayer
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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    Quote Originally Posted by deanlinkous View Post
    I think the poll is a bit confusing since you seem to ask which was harder to make, yet seem to be discussing the name situation.
    Agreed.

    What are you saying? Whichever was the 'hardest' to make deserves the credit and the OS should be named after it?

    Personally I don't care what people call the OS I'm running...I just care if it works and keep away from all the politics.

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    I think that some of you got me wrong.
    I'm NOT talking about who/what is more important
    as without one of them, there would be NO Linux.

    I am talking about what was harder to make.

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    But it does give credit to what makes up the basic parts that would be considered a usable system. While not everyone will use firefox, kde, openoffice, etc... they will ALL need GNU and Linux to have something functional.

    And actually GNU could survive without linux but as I said I certainly do not discredit what a great work linux is and it is fantastic that we have such a great kernel.

    Once again I do not understand the poll choices.

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    Quote Originally Posted by MAXDDARK View Post
    I am talking about what was harder to make.
    What do you consider 'hard'? Most man hours, most technically advanced, innovative?

    Probably one of the kernels is the most challenging for programmers, but I think I've read somewhere Linus finished his first kernel by himself within a year, so it probably wasn't too hard for him. It would probably have taken me a lifetime...or two.

    Quote Originally Posted by MAXDDARK View Post
    I think that some of you got me wrong.
    Maybe that has something to do with the thread title you chose and the poll options compared to your first post.
    Last edited by angkor; November 10th, 2006 at 06:44 PM.

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    Re: Linux Kernel vs GNU Project !

    Quote Originally Posted by angkor View Post
    Agreed.

    What are you saying? Whichever was the 'hardest' to make deserves the credit and the OS should be named after it?

    Personally I don't care what people call the OS I'm running...I just care if it works and keep away from all the politics.
    I'm NOT saying that whichever was harder to make deserves the credit.
    But I think that many Linux users don't even know about the GNU project, so I'm trying to explain why it should be called GNU/Linux.
    but the name has nothing to do with the actual poll...in fact it explains the poll.

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