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    Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    Maybe I am missing something, but recent versions of Ubuntu seem to have made Manual Installation much less functional.

    My test case with a VM and Oracular Oriole:

    I formatted the vd drive to gpt and created 3 partitions, 16GB for root 6GB for home and 3GB as swap.

    Started the installer, choosing Manual Installation, but even clicking Change and setting to reformat as ext4 and linux-swap did nothing.

    The button for Next was greyed out, no options to force it through that I could see.

    Has anyone else encountered this?

    Do I need to create a larger vd at the outset? What would be recommended?

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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    MAFoElffen and I talked about this a while back, all my and his install recipes went out the back door with the new installer.

    Wish I had better news for you Rubi1200
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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubi1200 View Post
    Maybe I am missing something, but recent versions of Ubuntu seem to have made Manual Installation much less functional
    Certainly a slightly different procedure from the previous Ubiquity installer.
    After you have chosen Manual Installation, then immediately choose "Device for boot loader installation"
    This will automatically create an ESP size 1.13GB
    Consequently, you can then add root, home and swap as required.

    If you've booted the installer in Legacy mode, perhaps it's a similar procedure?
    I haven't tested this mode.

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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    Quote Originally Posted by tea for one View Post
    Certainly a slightly different procedure from the previous Ubiquity installer.
    After you have chosen Manual Installation, then immediately choose "Device for boot loader installation"
    This will automatically create an ESP size 1.13GB
    Consequently, you can then add root, home and swap as required.
    Is this documented somewhere or did you discover it by testing/experimenting?

    Booted in UEFI mode and did as you said. The ESP partition is exactly the size you mention.

    Added this time root and home partitions. Next button was not greyed out and was able to complete installation as normal.

    I will also test what happens in Legacy mode and report back here.

    Forgot to mention: I did not format the virtual disk before running Manual Installation. Will also test if that works with this method.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by Rubi1200; 2 Weeks Ago at 07:54 AM. Reason: added info

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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    Quote Originally Posted by 1fallen2 View Post
    MAFoElffen and I talked about this a while back, all my and his install recipes went out the back door with the new installer.

    Wish I had better news for you Rubi1200
    Appreciate the feedback

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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    Results:

    Whether in Legacy or UEFI mode for booting, once you get to Manual Installation all you need to do is click + on the free space and choose to add a root partition (the simplest form).

    In both cases, a boot partition was automatically added. For BIOS, it was 1.05MB and for ESP 1.13GB.

    Installation can then proceed as normal.

    In my test, there was no need to first select the device for the bootloader in either of these scenarios.

    I still need to test whether partitioning with GParted before running the installer will have the same results.

    Update: Yes, it is possible to use GParted first to create an ESP partition and then run the installer in Manual mode.

    However, the options for formatting root or home partitions are limited to standard formats such as ext4, xfs, btrfs etc.

    Also, as has been mentioned in other threads on the forums, there does not seem to be an option to encrypt in manual mode, whether the root or home partition.
    Last edited by Rubi1200; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:35 AM. Reason: added more info

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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubi1200 View Post
    Is this documented somewhere or did you discover it by testing/experimenting?
    Discovered by experimentation
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubi1200 View Post
    Whether in Legacy or UEFI mode for booting, once you get to Manual Installation all you need to do is click + on the free space and choose to add a root partition (the simplest form).
    In both cases, a boot partition was automatically added. For BIOS, it was 1.05MB and for ESP 1.13GB.
    Installation can then proceed as normal.
    In my test, there was no need to first select the device for the bootloader in either of these scenarios.
    In this case the BIOS partition and the ESP are automatically created as partition 2

    If you immediately choose "Device for boot loader installation", the ESP is partition 1 (In Legacy mode, the BIOS partition is also partition 1)
    May be easier to manipulate partitions in the future if the ESP or BIOS were always first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tea for one View Post
    May be easier to manipulate partitions in the future if the ESP or BIOS were always first?
    +1
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    Re: Manual Installation Seems Not To Function Correctly

    I agree.

    This was just for testing purposes.

    As an aside, I tested Kubuntu 24.10 in a VM and manual installation has way more options available, including adding LVM, LUKS, various filesystem types etc. etc.

    I'm wondering what the logic is/was from the devs to, for lack of a better description, dumb down manual installs in vanilla Ubuntu?

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