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    Questions about Ubuntu installation

    Hi, I just re-installed Ubuntu 20.04.6LTS. It created 3 partitions. The first is 998MB (12.1% full), mounted at /boot/efi This must be the OS, right ?
    The second partition is 8.6GB, not mounted. For partition type the second partition says Microsoft Reserved. What is this ? Should I leave it alone ?
    The third partition is 2TB for filesystem. 2.1% full, mounted at Filesystem Root.
    The first two partitions say FAT (32-bit version). I thought Linux required the Ext4 file system, which the third partition has. Why is the OS installed on FAT 32-bit ?
    Thank you for your help.

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    The FAT 32 partition mounted at /boot/efi is the EFI system partition (ESP), which contains the Ubuntu boot loader. Your OS is not on the ESP, it's installed on the 2 TB root partition.

    The Microsoft Reserved partition was not created by the Ubuntu installer. It must have been there already. If you had used the "Erase Disk and Install Ubuntu" installation option, it would have been deleted.

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    Quote Originally Posted by crashlanding View Post
    Hi, I just re-installed Ubuntu 20.04.6LTS. It created 3 partitions. The first is 998MB (12.1% full), mounted at /boot/efi This must be the OS, right ?
    The second partition is 8.6GB, not mounted. For partition type the second partition says Microsoft Reserved. What is this ? Should I leave it alone ?
    The third partition is 2TB for filesystem. 2.1% full, mounted at Filesystem Root.
    The first two partitions say FAT (32-bit version). I thought Linux required the Ext4 file system, which the third partition has. Why is the OS installed on FAT 32-bit ?
    Thank you for your help.
    No, you have completely misunderstood what has happened during the installation and how your complete filesystem is arranged in all Linux distros.

    The first partition of 998MB mounted at /boot/efi is your UEFI partition needed for the booting of your new OS which I assume you installed in UEFI mode.

    I have no idea what the second partition of 8.6GB is though it may be a leftover from a previous Windows system. I have not used Windows for many years so I can't help much more about that; it will be interesting to investigate this further, and to hear other answers. See also my later request.

    The final 2TB filesystem is your OS root partition in which all the subfolders of the OS are placed when you install the OS.

    So we can know more about your system, and assuming you can boot and run it, please show the total output of terminal command
    Code:
    inxi -Fzx
    which will show lots of detailed info
    Please use Code-Tags for terminal output. See my signature below for a How-to

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    The second partition which shows Microsoft Reserved is useless if you do not have windows installed.

    ext4 is the default filesystem type for Ubuntu and a number of other Linux systems but there are a number of other filesystem types available.

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    inxi - Fzx
    inxi: command not found

    I bought this computer from Dell with Ubuntu 20.04.6LTS installed. I use it for writing Ubuntu programs using Embarcadero's RAD Studio. After several months a low filesystem memory message came. I uninstalled Flightgear and other programs I had installed, and also Solitare and the other pre-installed games. I then re-booted. he computer worked for another 3 or 4 months and then showed the low filesystem memory alert again, and suggested I empty the trash. I emptied the trash, and rebooted, and it never booted again.

    I re-installed 20.04.6LTS, still the latest version of Ubuntu compatible with Rad Studio. I used the first option which said it would erase everything. I used a USB for the installation. I don't know how much filesystem space was allocated when I received the computer. I wouldn't think programming would use up much space.

    The computer came with two 2-TB hard drives. I want to be sure everything is set up correctly and with lots of filesystem space before I continue. Since it didn't erase the WIndows folder, should I do another re-install with the second or third option ? For a week before this computer went low again I was getting some odd behavior from my program. Suddenly it could not find the setup file it always found, which was there. I struggled with that until I got the filesystem message the second time.

    Perhaps it is safer to re-install. The other thing is that I have a second 2-TB hard drive. It was partitioned, so I formatted it and can use it. But it might be best if it can add filesystem space. So, how would I set the root point so it adds space, /home ? I can send a copy of the data from Settings>About, Drives and df -h if that helps. Do I add them as a reply ?
    Last edited by ajgreeny; July 29th, 2024 at 08:14 AM. Reason: Paragraphs created to make the "wall of text" more readable.

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    No don't reinstall yet as we still cannot see what is wrong and do not know your current partition layout on the two disks.

    Boot to your live USB system and choose try Ubuntu without installing it.
    From that live system run terminal command
    sudo fdisk -l
    and show us the output of that using code tags (there is a how-to below).

    Do you still have a Windows OS installed? The partitions you mentioned in your first post do not use all the disk space of even one of the two 2T disks you say you have, hence my suggestion of the fdisk command.

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    Code:
    Disk /dev/loop0: 4 KiB, 4096 bytes, 8 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop1: 45.95 MiB, 48160768 bytes, 94064 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop2: 346.34 MiB, 363151360 bytes, 709280 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop3: 63.29 MiB, 66359296 bytes, 129608 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop4: 91.7 MiB, 96141312 bytes, 187776 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
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    Disk /dev/loop5: 49.86 MiB, 52260864 bytes, 102072 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop6: 63.97 MiB, 67051520 bytes, 130960 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop7: 38.85 MiB, 40714240 bytes, 79520 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360 sectors
    Disk model: PC801 NVMe SK hynix 2TB                 
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Disklabel type: gpt
    Disk identifier: F81A2D5A-01DE-4208-8856-282575C8F0ED
    
    Device           Start        End    Sectors  Size Type
    /dev/nvme0n1p1    2048    1050623    1048576  512M EFI System
    /dev/nvme0n1p2 1050624 4000796671 3999746048  1.9T Linux filesystem
    
    
    Disk /dev/nvme1n1: 1.88 TiB, 2048408248320 bytes, 4000797360 sectors
    Disk model: PC801 NVMe SK hynix 2TB                 
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    
    
    Disk /dev/loop8: 349.71 MiB, 366682112 bytes, 716176 sectors
    Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
    Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
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    Since re-installing Ubuntu it boots and runs.So I was able to run fdisk from terminal without booting using the USB. What I am writing about is that since I had two computers fail after suddenly going filesystem memory low, I want to make sure everything is set up correctly in the new installation, so it doesn't happen again. This computer came from Dell with Ubuntu 20.04.6LTS. Dell must have placed the Windows folder as part of Linux, perhaps in case the buyer wants to install Windows side by side with Linux. I wish I knew how Dell had the filesystem partitioned when I got it, and why it ran out of filesystem memory. When I realized the new installation did not completely overwrite the old installation I worried about some trace of a corrupted filesystem remaining. So yesterday I re-installed 20.04.6LTS. It runs. The installation did not touch the second hard drive, which I had already formatted and rooted so it is available to me. The Windows folder is gone. I think everything else is okay and that I am ready to get set up again for programming. But I want to see if I can root the second drive so it adds to the filesystem space. Unless there is some other issue I don't know about yet, that is the last bit of information I need, how to root the second drive. Telling me quickly that the windows folder must have already been there helped me quite a bit. Thank you.,
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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    I want to see if I can root the second drive so it adds to the filesystem space.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "root the second drive", but you cannot span the OS root partition across two disks. What you can do is mount a partition on the second disk with mount point inside the OS root partition of the first disk in order to create more space for storing some of your data files. Many users do this, by mounting the additional partition at startup with an entry in /etc/fstab.

    In the display of post #7, nvme1n1 does not show a partition table (Disklabel) yet. You need to create one and then add an ext4 partition for use by Linux.

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    Quote Originally Posted by crashlanding View Post
    I bought this computer from Dell with Ubuntu 20.04.6LTS installed. I use it for writing Ubuntu programs using Embarcadero's RAD Studio. After several months a low filesystem memory message came. I uninstalled Flightgear and other programs I had installed, and also Solitare and the other pre-installed games. I then re-booted. he computer worked for another 3 or 4 months and then showed the low filesystem memory alert again, and suggested I empty the trash. I emptied the trash, and rebooted, and it never booted again.
    The Flightgear flight simulator can take a lot of disk space. I don't know whether removing the package also removes all add-ons (it didn't last time I used it, but that's a while ago and I need a new computer before trying Flightgear again). Those add-ons, in particular the scenery database, is what takes most of the disk space. The pre-installed games are tiny. I'm not familiar with RAD Studio. I program, but don't use any IDEs.

    I re-installed 20.04.6LTS, still the latest version of Ubuntu compatible with Rad Studio. I used the first option which said it would erase everything. I used a USB for the installation. I don't know how much filesystem space was allocated when I received the computer. I wouldn't think programming would use up much space.
    Programming doesn't take a lot of space, unless in a ridiculously bloated environment. But even then, 2TB seems excessive. Next time, investigate what uses all that disk space. Some common culprits: overflowing log files with repeating messages, backups sent to the same drive instead of a backup drive, obsessively collecting media files.

    Perhaps it is safer to re-install. The other thing is that I have a second 2-TB hard drive. It was partitioned, so I formatted it and can use it. But it might be best if it can add filesystem space. So, how would I set the root point so it adds space, /home ? I can send a copy of the data from Settings>About, Drives and df -h if that helps. Do I add them as a reply ?
    Many use a separate /home partition. It has some advantages if you want to keep your files when reinstalling your OS. If you have a separate /home partition, 2TB for the root partition is very large. But you mentioned Flightgear. IIRC, the data files for that, which can be very large, are normally stored in /usr/share/games/flightgear. It might be good to have them on one drive, your /home on the other. And then, it may also be a good idea to have /usr/share/games on a different partition than your OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by crashlanding View Post
    The installation did not touch the second hard drive, which I had already formatted and rooted so it is available to me. The Windows folder is gone. I think everything else is okay and that I am ready to get set up again for programming. But I want to see if I can root the second drive so it adds to the filesystem space. Unless there is some other issue I don't know about yet, that is the last bit of information I need, how to root the second drive. Telling me quickly that the windows folder must have already been there helped me quite a bit. Thank you.,
    I'm not familiar with the verb "to root" in the context of filesystems. It may be some non-standard terminology you picked up somewhere. It happens to all of us. You can create a filesystem on it (easiest with gparted) and use /etc/fstab to configure your system to mount it somewhere.

    There are tricks to merge multiple drives into one filesystem (using logical volume management), but that's not recommended. It's a more advanced skill and means that everything is lost as soon as one drive fails.

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pa...ng/Home/Moving

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    Re: Questions about Ubuntu installation

    When I say "root the second drive", I mean to set a mount point for it. The second drive appears when I click + other locations. There I find Computer, the first hard drive, and Disk2, the second hard drive. I found that Disk 2 was partitioned, but not formatted. So Dell delivered my computer with the second hard drive partitioned but not formatted. Now I know how to fix this. But I never guessed the second drive was delivered unusable. I will not put Flight gear onto this computer. I have another computer now with Flight Gear on it. I can use the space on the second hard drive as it is, but perhaps it would be better if I change it's mount point to /home. Programming with RAD Studio involves a Windows computer running RAD Studio, connected by a network cable to a Linux computer. I think most of the compile process happens on the Windows computer and then the compiled program is placed into a folder on the Linux computer and the program runs, on the Linux computer. I can compile and run on Windows by switching the target OS. I can compile for Android, the computer is connected to an Android device via USB. I could also compile for Apple and IOS if I had such a device connected to the Windows machine. Just though you might be interested.
    When I click on Disk2, it shows an empty directory, and says "Folder is Empty". I think I should change the mount point for drive 2 to /home, because it will automatically be used. I don't really need to store files on the second drive as part of writing programs. The things I add to support programs include tiny sound files, and configuration files, and images for the desktop shortcuts. I put configuration files into the public directory. I put the program and images into a folder i create in home, MyPrograms, in separate folders for each program.
    All I have done since re-installing Ubuntu, and formatting the second drive, is to do Ubuntu updates. I haven't installed any files. Can I simply change the mount point of the second drive to /home now ?
    I formatted the existing partition on the second drive ext4, but did not create a partition table for it. I did give it a name Disk2. Wouldn't Ubuntu add the partition table when the partition is created ? Perhaps this drive was partitioned, but without a partition table. Maybe I need to go back and start over again ? Or else, how do I add a partition table ? I used Disks to format the existing partition on Disk2.

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