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    20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    I am a first time Linux user (yes, I know) but have fairly extensive PC and coding experience.

    I purchased a PC from Dell with 20.04 installed, and after booting it I first tried upgrading to 21.04. The upgrade dialog went through all the extensive steps I was expecting from online videos etc., and after rebooting it shows a Hippo picture on the desktop but lsb_release -a says 20.04 (focal). Settings/About says 20.04 also. However, everything seems to work OK.

    If I am missing something really obvious I apologize in advance, and maybe a hint would set me in the right direction.

    Many thanks, Paul

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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    It looks like something went wrong here. Try this command in terminal:
    Code:
    cat /etc/apt/sources.list
    That will list the software sources for your system. If it uses the hirsute repositories and all upgrades have been installed, you must be running 21.04.

    Also try
    Code:
    sudo apt update
    which will check for available software from those sources. Then
    Code:
    sudo apt upgrade
    will install the upgrades it found. If it lists anything unexpected, show all output. And if you don't know what to expect, just show it anyway.

    You can paste the text from the terminal on the forum. Use code tags for readability, like I did in this post.

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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    I don't have any suggestions to add to the post above but I am wondering if you are familiar with the Ubuntu support parameters. I am wondering what problem you had with 20.04 or what reason you had to upgrade to 21.04.? You do understand that 20.04 will be supported until April, 2025 whiile support for 21.04 will end in January, 2022, or do you?

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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    Quote Originally Posted by yancek View Post
    I don't have any suggestions to add to the post above but I am wondering if you are familiar with the Ubuntu support parameters. I am wondering what problem you had with 20.04 or what reason you had to upgrade to 21.04.? You do understand that 20.04 will be supported until April, 2025 while support for 21.04 will end in January, 2022, or do you?
    I have some questions and suggestions to add to both...

    Not just the question about why... The "why" could have been that you needed something that was in the newer interim Development Cycle version... But that does open other things up... (discussed below)

    That pre-installed version of Ubuntu 20.04.x from Dell was an LTS Version, as explained above. You went to an Unstable interim version, which for them they are supported for a shortened period of time, which also for them... What you installed is "not" the current interim Development Release Cycle version (=21.10).

    By doing that, you are now in the Interim version cycle, which probably now reports that there is a "Release Available for Download"...

    No... They more important question is: How did you try to upgrade from 20.04.x to 21.04?

    Did you do it by upgrading from 20.04.x (latest updates) to 20.10 (latest updates)... then upgrading from that to 21.04? That is how those "should" be done, no matter the method you did that by, but the chronological order of. There is no straight, shortcutted upgrade process to go straight from 20.04.x to 21.04.

    You can go to one LTS version to the next or to a Development Cycle Schedule version to each next incremental version.... There are no shortcuts for those.

    If you tried to shortcut that but using SED to change the 20.04 source.list, and try to go straight from 20.04 to 21.04.... Yes, that will "fail" badly.

    EDIT:
    If you really have a need to be on 21.xx and it still runs now... Maybe do a backup of the data, your settings files, and list out the packages you have installed to do a migration to a fresh install. Either 21.10 or 20.04.3 LTS.

    If you don't. then I would still do the above and use either:
    https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/osiso/
    or a new install of the Ubuntu 20.04.x ISO in your future?

    Because somehow that failed, and from what you said, if it were mine, I would trust it was a stable system.
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    @Yancek:

    Very good questions: My main reason was that my version of Gnome was v3.36, which is now 1.5 years old, and I figured that Gnome40 would probably be significantly more functional. So I thought long and hard, and I guessed that when 21.04 support expires in Jan 2022, there would be an upgrade path provided at that time.

    In retrospect, I think I should have stuck with 20.04. The problem is, I don't know whether I still have 20.04, or whether I now have a hybrid which will lead to some failures.

    Thanks very much and best regards, Paul

    @MAFoElfen:

    I did not go via 20.10. Instead, like an idiot, I simply followed this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCeBQbhfDg

    - Everything seemed to work precisely as in this video, until the very last step where lsb_release -a showed 20.04 still installed.

    In retrospect I have no real need for 21.04, my most pressing need is a stable system - which is now an unknown.

    My data comprises literally just one file right now, plus a few simple changes to default settings. I would be happy to return to 20.04 if I could do this with no ambiguity.

    Thanks very much for your kind advice, Paul

    @all:
    I forgot to mention that during the upgrade I saw a few "failed" messages relating to the Linux kernel, fly past in the terminal. However, I did not sit at the PC for the entire time the upgrade was running, or save the terminal contents.

    Thanks and best regards, Paul

    @Impavidus:

    I am really sorry, I find the following hard to interpret:

    Code:
    $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
    
    # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
    # newer versions of the distribution.
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute main restricted
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted
    
    ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
    ## distribution.
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-updates main restricted
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates main restricted
    
    ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
    ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any
    ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute universe
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal universe
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-updates universe
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates universe
    
    ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
    ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
    ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
    ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
    ## security team.
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute multiverse
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-updates multiverse
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates multiverse
    
    ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
    ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
    ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
    ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
    ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    
    ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the
    ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users.
    deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hirsute partner
    # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu focal partner
    
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security main restricted
    # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security main restricted
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security universe
    # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security universe
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security multiverse
    # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security multiverse
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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    Quote Originally Posted by MAFoElffen View Post
    Did you do it by upgrading from 20.04.x (latest updates) to 20.10 (latest updates)... then upgrading from that to 21.04? That is how those "should" be done, no matter the method you did that by, but the chronological order of. There is no straight, shortcutted upgrade process to go straight from 20.04.x to 21.04.
    A direct upgarde from 20.04 to 21.04 is offered by the upgrade manager/do-release-upgrade. See this recent thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2468227

    Quote Originally Posted by pgershon View Post
    @Impavidus:

    I am really sorry, I find the following hard to interpret:
    All software sources (other than source code sources, but those have been disabled anyway) are set to hirsute. If the available upgrades have been installed successfully, you must be running 21.04.

    There may be additional software sources defined in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. On a system with preinstalled Ubuntu, the provider may add some repositories. The release upgrade automatically disabled such third-party repositories, so you may have to re-enable them (and change them to hirsute, if the source supports that). Alternatively, remove software installed from such repositories. That's easy if you use the synaptic package manager (not installed by default).

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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impavidus View Post
    A direct upgarde from 20.04 to 21.04 is offered by the upgrade manager/do-release-upgrade. See this recent thread: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2468227
    *** Too Early Yet ***
    Quote Originally Posted by deadflowr View Post
    That's how it worked when support for Non-LTS was 18 months.
    However as the support for such releases has dropped to only nine months now,
    they've since changed to make the upgrades skip the dead releases.
    So in January or February the release channel will move up to 21.10 when 21.04 goes dark.
    Yes, 21.10 has just released (less than 3 weeks), but... the 21.04 repo's are NOT cold yet. So they are not through converting and updating strategies to do that "yet." (3 months premature to their plans.) It's only been 6 months in that 9 month support cycle yet...

    This said for January/February (2022)... "Now" is still October 2021. A bit early to say that yet. And this is an early test-case for this new trend... Not always a good thing to be one of the first, before the packages are fully updated, before the problems and details are worked out... In Jan/Feb 2022, that will be the "first" time for that "new" process.


    *** Wait... You are talking about to "21.04"... Not to 21.10... Dang. LOL. *** IDK, then, if that was finished and implemented yet for 21.04, I just know for 21.10.

    What I would be looking at is the upgrade release logs to see what all the mentioned failures were... and see if they are relevant. You know at least the lsb_release files are incomplete.

    You can install/update Gnome Desktop to 4.x without upgrading Releases... Or you could have installed the HWE (Hardware Enablement Stack) if you just wanted support for newer hardware, graphics, and use the mewer kernels, and still have been in an LTS.

    EDT:
    But if you look at what I do, well... So in my dual Boot scheme, I do run both an LTS and test +1 Dev Cycle code... so now just in early days of 22.04 code. So, I do see the lure, but know the risk of. (Always have a fallback.) And I have to admit, I love how Linux is infinitely customizable!!! In the last 32 years of IT, I have made many mistakes I learned from. (embarassed) That is life.
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    @impavidus:

    You are correct (I am one step behind you I seem to be stuck in Hirsuite now and hopefully there will be a route forward or backward at some point ..

    Code:
    $ grep -v [##] /etc/apt/sources.list
    
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute main restricted
    
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-updates main restricted
    
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute universe
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-updates universe
    
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute multiverse
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-updates multiverse
    
    deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hirsute-backports main restricted universe multiverse
    
    deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hirsute partner
    
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security main restricted
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security universe
    deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hirsute-security multiverse
    I am not sure which Gnome desktop I have, however.

    Here, I am see a stealth Google Chrome entry ..
    Code:
    $ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
    focal-oem.list              google-chrome.list.distUpgrade
    focal-oem.list.distUpgrade  oem-somerville-cubone-rkl-meta.list
    google-chrome.list oem-somerville-cubone-rkl-meta.list.distUpgrade
    Many thanks indeed for your kind advice and help.

    Paul.


    @all:
    Thanks so much for all comments and discussion, this is a great community for sure. I guess my main remaining question is whether it is possible to back-grade (say, to 20.04) cleanly (and if so, how), or whether this is either not possible or potentially leaves remnants that could be as thorny as simply staying with Hirsuite.

    Thanks again and best regards, Paul


    @all:
    I guess my reason for upgrading initially was "old thinking", i.e. the routine practice of assuming by default that all OS are out of date straight out-the-box, and the first thing one does is fit the patches. Coupled with the assumption that Dell were likely trying to make Ubuntu as unattractive as possible by presenting me with a 1.5 yrs out of date OS. Huge mistake on my part. .. **..Gets new thinking 1.0.1 installed ..**
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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    Dang...

    You could run the UbuntuForums "system-info" script in my signature line... That is a comprehensive report on what is what, configurations and settings... For desktop, kernel, graphics, lasb_release, etc. ...Or I could just give you a few commands from that script to run...

    Specifically I wrote a routine in it that loops through the sources.d directory and reads all the active lines in all files there...

    Did you check you /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log for errors yet?

    Or if it was done manually, in /var/logs/apt/term.log?

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    Re: 20.04 -> 21.04 seems to fail, but I see a Hippo on the desktop.

    That google-chrome.list is put there when you install Google Chrome. The focal-oem.list and oem-somerville-cubone-rkl-meta.list must have been installed by Dell or the retailer where you bought your computer. Maybe you can update those from focal to hirsute. Or, if you don't really need the software in those repositories (or if they aren't available for hirsute), disable them. Then, any software that came from those repositories must be removed or changed to the version from the official Ubuntu repository.

    If this isn't clear, can you show the contents of those .list files? Have you installed the synaptic package manager? It's a great tool for things like this.

    There's no easy downgrade from 21.04 back to 20.04. The only way is a fresh install. The way forward is already open, as you can upgrade to 21.10. I'll do that later (I'm on 21.04 now). There's no hurry and I prefer to wait until December, when some of the bugs are gone.

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