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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Are you using a 4GB flash drive for Windows?
    Windows .wim file is now over 4GB, so Windows needs 8GB flash drive as minimum.
    And you have to split .wim file to have it fit in FAT32 formatted partition as 4GB is max for FAT32.
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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    Are you using a 4GB flash drive for Windows?
    Windows .wim file is now over 4GB, so Windows needs 8GB flash drive as minimum.
    Yes, OK I'll burn a new USB boot stick with size >8GB, or using a SanDisk card

    And you have to split .wim file to have it fit in FAT32 formatted partition as 4GB is max for FAT32.
    Could you please explain in more detail. Thanks

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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Use the Windows installer tool as that splits the .wim file.
    Most instructions on Internet for for older verisons of Windows where .wim file was less than 4GB and fit on FAT32 formatted partition.
    And to boot in UEFI mode, .efi boot files have to be on FAT32 formatted partition for UEFI to read it.

    For Windows ISO with .wim > 4GB
    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2444665
    https://github.com/ValdikSS/windows2usb

    Someone posted this, but I do not know.
    Latest Windows made .wim file smaller so extraction works again, depending on version.
    UEFI only uses FAT32 which has a size limit on one file of 4GB, but Windows wim is now too large, extracted into a NTFS partition and only boot files in FAT32.
    https://techbit.ca/2019/02/creating-...e-using-linux/
    https://itsfoss.com/bootable-windows-usb-linux/
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...-for-big-files
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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    Use the Windows installer tool as that splits the .wim file.
    Most instructions on Internet for for older verisons of Windows where .wim file was less than 4GB and fit on FAT32 formatted partition.
    And to boot in UEFI mode, .efi boot files have to be on FAT32 formatted partition for UEFI to read it.
    .......
    Hi oldfred,

    Thanks for your advice and links.

    Through heavy searching on Internet, I found that it can install Win10 Home direct on its ISO without CD or DVD or USB installer.

    Performed following test.

    1) Disconnected all hard drives on the spare PC except the 120G SSD old hard drive (drive sda) for installing Windows10 Home.

    2) Start pc with Ubuntu 20.04 startup USB boot disk, running Ubuntu 20.04 desktop without installing it.

    3) Plugin a SanDisk 64G disk, mounted on an USB adapter (drive sdc)

    4) Ran fdisk to partition and format the drives
    $ lsblk
    Code:
    NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
    sdb      8:16   1    15G  0 disk /cdrom
    ├─sdb2   8:18   1   2.4M  0 part
    └─sdb1   8:17   1   1.6G  0 part
    sr0     11:0    1  1024M  0 rom  
    loop0    7:0    0   1.5G  1 loop /rofs
    sdc      8:32   1  59.5G  0 disk
    ├─sdc2   8:34   1   4.5G  0 part /media/ubuntu/FE8B-90DA
    └─sdc1   8:33   1    55G  0 part /media/ubuntu/FDE7-48BF
    sda      8:0    0 119.2G  0 disk
    ├─sda2   8:2    0  19.2G  0 part
    └─sda1   8:1    0   100G  0 part /media/ubuntu/41DA529D73772987
    5) Remove drive sdc. Plugin it on the daily working PC and copied windows10 Home ISO on it (sdc1 partition).

    6) Plugin drive sdc on the spare PC again
    $ ls -al /media/ubuntu/FDE7-48BF
    Code:
    total 3429540
    drwxrwxrwx 1 ubuntu ubuntu       4096 Oct 25 21:23 .
    drwx------ 5 ubuntu root          100 Oct 25 21:23 ..
    -rwxrwxrwx 1 ubuntu ubuntu FDE7-48BF Oct 25 15:15 W10.HOME.X64.en-US.Apr2016.iso
    7) Start/Open sdc1 on File Manager
    Double click Windows 10 Home ISO to extract it.

    $ ls -al /media/ubuntu/FDE7-48BF
    -> Start Windows 10 Home folder
    Code:
    boot (folder)
    efi (folder)
    sources (folder)
    support (folder)
    autorun.inf
    bootmgr
    bootmgr.efi
    setup.exe
    But I couldn't run setup.exe without wine. I was not allowed to install wine on Ubuntu 20.04 desktop which was NOT installed but under "Try"

    Any advice? Thanks

    Regards
    Last edited by satimis; 4 Weeks Ago at 12:56 PM.

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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    You cannot run setup.exe from Linux. You have to boot into installer from UEFI (or BIOS). And mode you boot UEFI or BIOS is then how it installs.

    If .wim file in Souces is less then 4GB you can extract directly to a FAT32 formatted partition with boot/esp flags on flash drive. That will only boot in UEFI mode as /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi exists for UEFI boot.

    I have the 1909 version and the install.wim is 4.3GB or too large.
    Last edited by oldfred; 4 Weeks Ago at 02:03 PM.
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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    You cannot run setup.exe from Linux. You have to boot into installer from UEFI (or BIOS). And mode you boot UEFI or BIOS is then how it installs.

    If .wim file in Souces is less then 4GB you can extract directly to a FAT32 formatted partition with boot/esp flags on flash drive. That will only boot in UEFI mode as /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi exists for UEFI boot.

    I have the 1909 version and the install.wim is 4.3GB or too large.
    Hi oldfred,

    I can start Windows 10 setup on BIOS -> UEFI boot, but it always popup an warning
    Code:
    Windows cannot open the reqired file C:\Sources\install.esd. .......
    install.esd is in Sources folder. Neither I can find a way converting install.esd to install.wim on Ubuntu 20.04 desktop.

    Advice would be appreciated. Thanks

    Regards

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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    This was in the link above. No idea if it works. He uses NTFS partition for Sources.
    https://win10.guru/usb-install-media...-4gb-wim-file/
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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Quote Originally Posted by oldfred View Post
    This was in the link above. No idea if it works. He uses NTFS partition for Sources.
    https://win10.guru/usb-install-media...-4gb-wim-file/
    Hi oldfred,

    Problem "no device driver found ..... etc."

    There is NOT THING WRONG on burning Win10 USB boot disk. Following articles solve the problem. In my case I just change the USB port for plugin the Win10 boot USB disk.

    [2 Fixes] USB Windows 10 Clean Install - A Media Driver Your Computer Needs is Missing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNIdOs_50r4

    Fix- No device drivers were Found Windows installation problems
    https://thegeekpage.com/no-device-dr...-installation/

    A media driver your computer needs is missing windows 10 install FIX
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G3hJdx89D8

    Now my attempt to install Win10 on physical disk and dual boot Windows/Linux system comes to an end.

    The story to install Win10 on physical disk began from purchasing a new Dell 32" 4K display, U3219Q IPS display, at end of September, last month. The display flickers NOW and THEN. I have tried to fix the problem myself without result, sometime good and another bad. It can't be predicted when the problem will come nor to reproduce the problem.

    Finally I contacted Dell Technical Support. Dell requested me to test the display on a Windows PC, with Windows installed on a physical hard drive. I told them that I can't satisfy their request because all Windows here are running on VMs of Oracle VirtualBox. Finally Dell advised me testing the display on its built-in self-testing system as follow;

    1. Turn on the PC
    2. After the PC is running, disconnect the cable connected the display to PC, in my case HDMI cable.
    3. The screen will turn to dark green.
    4. Pressing the 1st screen button, next to the power button about 5 seconds, the screen will turn to a red screen
    5. and again, then becomes yellow screen etc.

    I told Dell that after pulling out the HDMI cable at back of the PC, the screen turning to a black/dark screen while the power light still on, white light. Then Dell told me stop testing further because unfortunately I have a defective display and they will replace it. Yesterday the forwarder of Dell confirmed me by phone that the replacement will be effected on next Monday afternoon.

    My installation of Win10 on physical disk and dual boot will come to a conclusion. All Windows here are running on VMs, for testing purpose only NOT for production.

    I stopped installing Windows on bare metal, physical disk, more than 20 years ago ever since stepping away from Windows turning to BSD -> then Unix -> now Linux. The best Linux OS is Linux from scratch, in my opinion.

    Linux from Scratch
    http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

    I tried it before about 15 years ago. It took 5 days and nights continuously to complete its building on a single core CPU PC. After finishing building only Text Editor was running. Then I have to continue install, browsers, office, other packages etc. It is a very rigid Linux OS, not easily hacked. Hackers are not easy to know how you build and configure the core around the kernel. Nowadays on 8-core CPU PC I suppose the time of its building will be shorten dramatically

    Anyway, lot of thanks for your assistance and time spent.

    Regards
    Last edited by satimis; 3 Weeks Ago at 09:07 PM.

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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    I had same experience with Linux years ago. No need to refresh that bad memory.
    The only "reason" I switched to Linux was financial and there is no need to discuss how
    "hackers friendly" 'and not user friendly Linux was then and still is today.

    I have been in similar situation recently.
    I no longer run Windows , just WINE when there is no choice of Linux version of the application.


    It seem that majority of Windows / Ubuntu mutiboot system installation gets sidetracked in
    resolving BIOS and UEFI "differences".

    I simply do not get why it is such issue - if there are options of getting OS ISO which will boot using either boot method.
    Maybe I am looking at it with KISS attitude - but when installing OS using ISO why does it matter how the ISO itself gets booted?
    Your hardware / firmware "setup" should care of that.

    My copy of Ubuntu IOS boots either way and I have a choice , with clean "OS destination hardware " to select BIOS or UEFI boot
    method for the installation of the actual OS boot.

    It cannot get much simpler IMHO.

    Again , I do not do Windows, but why it would not work same in installing Windows?

    I have applied this process - make sure there is a unallocated space on destination harware - min 8GB.
    Run ISO boot setup in " try it , do not install" mode.

    After it boots just run install.
    After the install and reboot - make sure there is yet another unallocated disk space and "rinse and repeat" another ISO install.

    This time install alongside existing OS and again follow instructions .
    After another reboot you have dual boot - both Ubuntu , for simplicity - system.

    This should work same , choosing second ( or third) OS as Windows.

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    Re: Seeking doc for adding a hard drive as multiboot system

    Quote Originally Posted by helen314 View Post
    I had same experience with Linux years ago. No need to refresh that bad memory.
    The only "reason" I switched to Linux was financial and there is no need to discuss how
    "hackers friendly" 'and not user friendly Linux was then and still is today.

    I have been in similar situation recently.
    I no longer run Windows , just WINE when there is no choice of Linux version of the application.
    .......
    Hi helen314,

    Thanks for your advice.

    I stopped running multi-boot system for years running virtualization instead. I have 3 PCs all running Oracle VirtualBox with Ubuntu 20.04 desktop as host. It needs not caring the booting system. Should I need to test a new OS I just install it on VM.

    V2P cloning a VM on a physical drive is NOT complicate. Unfortunately Windows doesn't work on this technology. I have no idea on MAC and never run it before.

    I still keep Windows but running them on VMs and for testing only.

    Edit
    ==
    Virtualization is ideal for sharing hardware
    Container "Docker" is deal for sharing software
    Try them.
    Container needs to run on VM

    Regards
    Last edited by satimis; 3 Weeks Ago at 04:24 AM.

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