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    20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    Hello,

    i installed Ubuntu 20 lts on a brand new Thinkpad, all seems fine but having boot problems sometime.
    i searched boot annoyance tags in the forum.
    issue i am havin looks similar like this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2440701
    "On roughly 3/4 attempts system regularly fails to boot. The Lenovo logo appears when I power on the laptop, then it disappears.."
    boot seems stuck on a blank screen (mouse cursor showing up but it can not move)
    I press and hold the power button to power off and pass the stuck boot situation. Restarts are working fine in general, login screen shows without a problem.

    My system is:
    Lenovo ThinkPad E495 AMD Ryzen 7 3700U 8GB 512gb SSD
    Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx
    No dual boot, Latest updates are installed.


    Can you guide me to try something to fix this?

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    try with iommu=soft kernel parameter; see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters

    i had similar issue on ryzen5: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2446942

    if it works make sure you test all peripherals (USB ports etc) before changing boot option permanently.

    also i posted a bug. if work arround works, try a test kernel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...x/+bug/1887218

    i already installed plenty of stuff so i would hate for install to break.
    Read the easy to understand, lots of pics Ubuntu manual.
    Do i need antivirus/firewall in linux?
    Full disk backup (newer kernel -> suitable for newer PC): Clonezilla
    User friendly full disk backup: Rescuezilla

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    Thank you mastablasta. i will try to understand your instructions and type my experience back here.



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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    temporary setting boot options is easy. press shift (or Esc) on start to get to GRUB, press e and enter the boot parameter (iommu=soft) just after quiet splash. then crtl+x to boot. if all is good then you can make it permanent (for now).

    another options is adding kernel posted on launch pad. if that works, then you could confirm and they will add it to normal kernel in LTS so that everyone's (well at least those with AMD) boot gets fixed.
    Read the easy to understand, lots of pics Ubuntu manual.
    Do i need antivirus/firewall in linux?
    Full disk backup (newer kernel -> suitable for newer PC): Clonezilla
    User friendly full disk backup: Rescuezilla

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    i went in to grub. (to help other readers: on Lenovo e495, first tab esc brings device specs screen and second tab on esc opens grub menu.)
    i added parameter (iommu=soft) just after quiet splash. so, it looked like this: quiet splash iommu=soft
    i checked wifi and bluetooth connectivity, USB ports, multimedia. They all worked fine.

    i just want to be sure before making this update permanent.
    my question is did i type the parameter in the right place?
    Because on your ryzen 5 not booting topic here https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2446942
    i saw the code GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="iommu=soft quiet splash" here parameter placed before
    but typed it after : quiet splash iommu=soft

    so, i could not be sure if parameter i typed took effect.
    position before or after quiet splash matters?
    or does it change while go temporary or permanent?

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    I do not think order of boot parameters in grub makes any difference.
    I typically like to remove quiet splash, just to see boot process. I then know it is working and if error it may show. And now change to using "noplymouth" in place of quiet splash.

    Changing parameter when booting is just for that boot. Good for testing if parameter works.

    To permanent change parameter you have to edit grub's configure file & update-grub.

    sudo nano /etc/default/grub
    # after edits
    sudo update-grub
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gr...rub_.28file.29
    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gr...iguring_GRUB_2
    GRUB_CMD_LINUX
    * Entries on this are added to the end of the 'linux' command (GRUB legacy's "kernel" ) for both normal and recovery modes. It is used to pass options to the kernel.
    GRUB_CMD_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
    * This imports any entries to the end of the 'linux' (GRUB legacy's "kernel" ). The entries are appended to the end of the normal mode only.
    o To view a black screen with boot processes displayed in text, remove "quiet splash". To see the grub splash image plus a condensed text output, use "splash".
    For more info on UEFI boot install & repair - Regularly Updated :
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
    Please use Thread Tools above first post to change to [Solved] when/if answered completely.

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    i edited the grub line like this "quiet splash iommu=soft" and saved it.
    after 5 boots all seems ok. i will write my experience later. after more boots and checking peripherals.
    thank you mastablasta and oldfred.

    (possible help for other readers: i saw a warning on terminal screen while editing on gedit.
    Tepl-WARNING **: 21:13:18.135: GVfs metadata is not supported. Fallback to TeplMetadataManager. ...it goes on.
    i tried (gedit admin:///etc/default/grub &) command. it comes a warning again
    ** (gedit:3352): WARNING **: 23:31:18.983: Loading metadata failed: The specified location is not mounted
    finally i could save my grub editing on nano editor by cont+O and press enter.)
    Last edited by KayaE; July 21st, 2020 at 09:55 PM.

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    Awesome! Yes, it works well for most, only some reported issues.

    can you load new kernel i linked to (last post from dev) to see if it works? : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...x/+bug/1887218

    you can use Ukuu (for graphical loading of new kernel) or terminal.: https://itsfoss.com/upgrade-linux-kernel-ubuntu/

    i mean since you can still easily reinstall if something goes too wrong (it shouldn't).
    Read the easy to understand, lots of pics Ubuntu manual.
    Do i need antivirus/firewall in linux?
    Full disk backup (newer kernel -> suitable for newer PC): Clonezilla
    User friendly full disk backup: Rescuezilla

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    after today's experience yes all seems well. grub edit worked for my boot issue.

    i remember that you mentioned on your first message about loading new kernel to where you linked.
    is it uploading my kernel? or downloading another kernel? will i help developers about fixing a bug?
    my computing abilities seemed low to understand linked pages above.
    if i understand what and how should i do, i will try.

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    Re: 20 LTS boot annoyance on brand new thinkpad E495

    Ok. i understand. Well if you think you can do it, then you can try. if not, it's also good. At least we solved your issue.

    yes, if the patched kernel worked, the patch would then make it into main Ubuntu where it would fix this same issue for everyone. if this was my own laptop i would try and do it myself.

    i hope that in November new kernel from 20.10 will be loaded.
    Read the easy to understand, lots of pics Ubuntu manual.
    Do i need antivirus/firewall in linux?
    Full disk backup (newer kernel -> suitable for newer PC): Clonezilla
    User friendly full disk backup: Rescuezilla

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