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    I dont understand

    Help ....
    Why is it soooo hard to do something so simple ???/
    Let me explain, I have a Dell desktop ,, it running fine ,
    it has loads of memory and 3 hard drives , and all kinds ,,
    So .....
    the problem is Google ... and Windows ... of course ...
    this is fairly old computer ...
    and its running Win XP !!
    google wants to ''update chrome '' as many sites don't work well now.
    Chrome wont update because ... win XP is no longer supported ..
    I know , I know ,,, why not update win ... then chrome ,, and all my troubles will dissapear..

    well then for the messing about and new software ,,,why not just throw it away and get a new one ..
    ok maybe ...........
    but is quite good really ...still..
    So what to do ? use it as a server ... mmmm no
    how about a new operating system? .....welll yes...why not ?..lets see how good this linux is and all this new stuff i hear about ...why not ...?
    well ok then ..
    .I'll try Ubuntu ...OK theres a light version ....well ok
    so i Put Lubuntu on a 16Gb USB stick .. with another boot program ... and away I go ...well ok ..this is good ..
    Problem No 1
    Wifi ,,,,,,why..... is the WIFI ..., which is the simplest and most needed thing today, soooo difficult to get going ...
    I just cant get it ..
    My computer logs onto the home wifi router with a USB stick in the front port ..
    but Lubuntu cant find it ..... a most basic thing ,,,, 3 days and cant do it
    cant find nm-applet
    when i first boot it up it says ... wifi is available in the network manager ,,, cant find that
    i find network connections in preferences .. but that just tell me about Ethernet ...
    then i look for help files online ...and I find ... open this ,, and type ...sudo apt-get
    then log off then log on ... then type instal
    then iconfig this and that ...then more typing ... and instal more stuff ..REALLY !!
    Im not a programmer .... i just want to connect to the internet and see if lubuntu is any good for me ...and then ... maybe I could instal it in a hard drive ,..
    I boot up with Try Lubuntu without installing ,,,
    cos not yet ,,, if I mess up windows ..as bad as it is .. im doomed ////
    so im thinking of a dual boot scenario until im more comfortable .... then ill let win float away into the void ...
    but ...
    I think to my self ....the internet is so important these days ... i cant belive a program would make it so akward and difficult to just find a network and log on ....
    is the world of Lubuntu going to be like this ?
    whats my next move ?
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    Re: I dont understand

    First, I think you've been on the wrong Lubuntu download site. The correct one is www.lubuntu.me

    Second, I have the feeling that your install is not complete. You'll need to copy the .iso image to a USB stick, or burn a DVD with the .iso image (I personally prefer this, as it gives audible feedback during install. Old fashioned, I know). Then boot from here.

    Third: there's no "Try Lubuntu" in the current correct install image (there may be in older images). There's a "Start Lubuntu" which will bring you to a desktop after some minutes. From here you can play around a bit. The real install only happens when you click that item on the desktop.

    I've had no pains with Lubuntu, my current laptop is 12 years old, born with Vista, and runs perfectly under Lubuntu.

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    Re: I dont understand

    If you have a wired internet connection connect to it and then install the updates on your new install and restart the computer when finished.

    Remove the wired connection and see if the wireless adapter finds your Wifi SSID and if it does than click to open it and enter your password.

    In the Menu under Preferences look for Additional Drivers and open it and then go to Additional Drivers and open it and see if there is a driver offered for your wireless adapter.


    Here's the official Lubuntu Manual.

    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/
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    Re: I dont understand

    Canonical isn't Microsoft.
    Linux isn't MS-Windows.
    There are very different philosophies between these 2 VERY DIFFERENT OSes.
    There are very different prices too.

    If you just want to get on the internet, then you want a chromebook, running ChromeOS. They are designed to be easy enough for everyone to use, but there is an additional price beyond the hardware cost. Your privacy. Chromebooks **are** probably the most secure internet devices available today, but they are far from private.

    There is good news. A few companies do make something called ChromiumOS which is the basis for ChromeOS. Also, ChromiumOS runs on almost any 64-bit computer. https://www.neverware.com/ is one option. I don't know whether it can dual boot or not. I've never used it. I know 1 person who used it for college work that was google-docs-centric and she loved it.

    As for driver problems - complain to the vendor who made the hardware. They are the people who fund making drivers for different OSes. If they don't make a Linux driver, then it is up to volunteers who care to do it. If no volunteer cares, then it doesn't get done. Often, very popular hardware has excellent support under Linux. It is when we stray into the niche hardware that things become more difficult. Before spending any money on hardware, always, always, always, check that specific compatibility is built into the shipping Linux you will be using. Don't get burned when a box says "Supports Linux!" on the outside. I've been burned by that. The "support" was for an 8 yr old kernel version that hadn't been used in about 6 yrs. I ended up with some hardware that worked in a minimal way, but not in the intended way to justify the price paid. That was an expensive lesson. It has happened a few times in my decades of Linux use.

    Switching from an OS with 90% of the world's desktops to an OS with, say 3% of the world's desktops AND next to zero funding can take some getting used to. The ecosystem is very different. Canonical is trying to make their desktops as ready-for-grandma as possible. But the Lubuntu team doesn't work for Canonical. They are people with a passion. The release notes for 20.04 Lubuntu. https://lubuntu.me/focal-released/ They've made some huge, but necessary changes since 18.04. Some of their choices were brave and solved some issues that were definitely problems. Of course, they've also inherited some new problems due to the switch.

    While almost everything can be accomplished using the point-n-click interface, it isn't the most efficient way to explain to someone else how to setup things. Fortunately, we have the terminal (a program to type commands into), shell (the program that a terminal runs) and CLI (command line interface) to provide accurate, short, text answers. BTW, nobody types most of those commands in. We use tab-completion so the computer fills in the correct answer after we type just a few characters. If you are typing, it is worth the effort to seek out a youtube video for any Linux or Unix how-to that does command completion. It takes 30 seconds to learn, a week to remember to use, and a lifetime to master. The shell is what provides command completion. There are multiple shell programs - bash being the most popular and the default.

    Where to find the nm-applet? There is probably a small icon in the upper right corner of your Lubuntu desktop that looks like 3 curved lines or some sort of network connection. Left click on that with the mouse. THAT is the nm-applet. "applet" means something that runs on your desktop to provide feedback and quick access to some settings. I love the alarm-clock-applet - it provides alarms and multiple timers so time doesn't slip away while I'm working or playing.

    Anyways, don't feel bad if you try a Linux for a week or two and just don't like it. Linux is all about choice. There are probably 50 different GUIs that you can choose, see what you like and what works with your hardware. Some are heavy. Some are lighter and some are so light they'd work extremely fast on hardware from 2000. TinyCore is in the extremely Lite group. It needs only 64MB of RAM to run with a nice GUI. Lubuntu probably needs 2G to run fast, but will run in about 750MB of RAM.

    So you have plenty of options to try. The only thing wasted is time.

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    Re: I dont understand

    the simple summarized answer is that too many people want to monetize all aspects of computers.

    their efforts include trying to demonetize it for others in the hope this means more for themselves. this is why we have so many licensing and patent issues with various software and hardware.
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    Re: I dont understand

    BTW, my newest laptop is three years old, a Dell running Win 10. I have this to be able to work in both worlds, but much prefer my 12 years old Lubuntu laptop (20.04).
    Anyhow, as Win 10 cannot be downloaded or installed, the recommendation from Dell was to make a system backup first.

    It took over 6 hours to generate the system backup USB stick!!!

    A complete Lubuntu install takes around 30 minutes on my ancient hardware.

    How's that for progress?

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    Re: I dont understand

    I think I am correct in saying that when we run a live session (Try, not install) we are running an OS using free and open source software only. This applies to hardware drivers as well as other software. It is great if the Linux firmware package includes drivers for our hardware. Not great when it does not.

    When we install Lubuntu/Ubuntu we can tick a box to install non-free software. That will/should install any proprietary drivers that are needed. As well as audio & video codecs We can install drivers in a live session as outlined in an earlier post. They will last only for that session.

    I think that I am correct about this.

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    Re: I dont understand

    Thread moved to New to Ubuntu for a more appropriate fit.

    Please use the default font color and properties unless you need to highlight or draw attention to a part of your post.

    If you want help please start a thread in the networking forum with a descriptive title and post the results of the wireless script in my signature.

    This old of a laptop is very likely to have a broadcom device and it probably needs the b43 firmware and the reason it is not installed by default is because of legal reasons that do not allow ubuntu to add it at the time of install.
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    Re: I dont understand

    If you use a fairly old computer with Windows XP, I find it a bit hard to believe that it has loads of memory (as in RAM). Web browsers need quite a lot of memory. A few more details on your hardware may help. Maybe the recycling centre is the best place to send it. Yes, it will probably work fine as a server, but if you don't need a server, that's irrelevant.

    Then there's the matter of 32 bit versus 64 bit. I'm not sure about Windows, but on Linux Google doesn't support anything 32 bit any more. And Lubuntu 18.04 is the last Lubuntu release to support 32 bit.

    Which release of Lubuntu have you tried? Best option to try now is 20.04, although 18.04 still has 10 months of support left.

    I understand you try to use a USB wifi device. Most of those work out of the box, but maybe it helps if you tell us the exact model.

    On the bright side, dual booting Lubuntu (or any other Ubuntu) with Windows XP is fairly easy. Simpler than with Windows 8 and later.

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    Re: I dont understand

    This is a lot of stuff ... which is good as it means Lubuntuists care
    and especially since my post was so negative and whiney ...so let me wade through this ,
    as you all deserve aknowledgement at least for taking the time out to type a reply.


    ml9104
    Im not sure about the wrong download site , but i have no problems re-downloading for yuor link.
    I did copy everything onto a USB stick of 16Gb as per a tutorial i read . also onto that stick goes the program
    UNEBOOTIN windows ,, for booting it up from the stick
    and in fairness .. it boots up no problem .., I press F12 on the satrt then choose to boot from the USB port
    and it does ... that all seems fine.
    Lubuntu is 18,4 Bionic beaver .. it SEEMS correct , but what do I know
    the bluebird apears ,,, some dots ,,, and then the desktop ...
    all fine up to there ...
    connectint to internet is the problem as mentioned


    POORGUY
    No ... there is no wired internet ,,, there is WiFi and I also have a wifi booster plugged in upstairs ,,boosts and cures any blind spots in rooms .I will check out the Additional Drivers bit ... as now im typing on Win xp on this desktop but i made a note of it
    Ill et back to you on that one ... and thank you for the manual.


    The FU
    I do understand that they are different OS's and thats why im here to try to start a different one.
    I do not want a chromebook, thanks for the link , but its a bit too tied into chrome for me .. windows is bad enough
    I know that is clearly less popular then what Mr Gates offers , however ... at the moment i want to use it ,, i just cant get the online bit done ,
    to be clear ,, that is the question of the post.
    the learnig bit will happen as time oes on andi become slowly enlightened.
    So... I have read on help files ... nmapplet in the top right hand corner .. but i have nothing up there ...zilch.
    and I am trying it ... its not a waste of time .. i have a big learnig curve ahead of me .. but going from win to lubuntu so i can get info online is a pain .. so this is my first hurdle .. or challenge if you like..
    Thank you for you advice.




    Skaperen
    erm yes .. your may well be correct ... ill look out for that when im online.
    thanks


    mL9104 again ..
    im pleased to hear that your 12 year old computer is running fine on Lubuntu .. one day i hope to tell you the same thing.


    Grahamechanical
    Unfortunatley you are too far ahead of me .. although i do use the Try not instal option ...
    I have no problem putting it onto the spare hard drive if this would help




    wildemann39
    **** ... now the Moderator is onto me ,,, ill get detention soon
    sorry im on the wrong thread .. feel free to move it , or whatever you think best ..
    thread in networking forum .. got it
    sorry .. ill reply here first .. it seems rude not too
    BTW.. its a desktop nop laptop ... if that makes any difference.,, wifi through USB dongle 802.11 b/g/n




    Lmpavidus


    yes i can get some details , it has a fair ammount of memory ... hard drives and enough RAM because it been geting updated over the years ... its now maxed out i think ....however the original computer card is still the old one.
    OK tyring to make compatability out of things I dont understand is how i ended up with 18.4 bionic beaver .. Dell Optiplex in X86 .. which is 32 bit
    I could try 20.04 if you thought it would help ... and keep the USB of 18.4 in case flames and smoke come out of the back ...
    as mentioned i downloaded 18.04 from a site as i felt it was the most compatible .. and downloaded UNEBOOtin as well , pput them onto a spare USB stick I had ,,, that bit was honestly easy .. i was so pleased when it came on first time no problem .. now the internet thing .
    I did get it from lubuntume site but it says 20.o4 is for 64 bit and the 32 bit version is the 18 .04 that i have ... i just checked , thats why i have it ...








    OK ...so quite a lot of info there na d quite a lot of replies .. not as much ... how to get online as i may need but I never give up .. so ill keep on keeping on

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