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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckHook View Post
    It's still around, but buried in an obscure location that Canonical makes every effort to hide: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dis...mages/netboot/

    I believe that they have committed to one more netboot image in 22.04 but not thereafter. Canonical wants to kill off the mini.iso.

    As an aside, I've been having trouble in recent days with my thumb-drive used for Lubuntu testing (currently groovy), and today's ISO just booted up

    "Unable to find a medium container a live file system
    Attempt interactive netboot from a URL?
    yes no (default yes):"

    ie. it appears to be a fallback now for media with issues... ie. we could create our own by butchering a working ISO maybe

    (Lubuntu groovy-desktop is my ISO; it lets me enter any URL but has default for
    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ser...rver-amd64.iso
    (but also lists groovy-desktop-amd64.iso, alas not the Lubuntu I want to test..)

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by guiverc View Post
    …we could create our own by butchering a working ISO maybe
    Although this might be possible, my thoughts are: "Why bother?" Ubuntu's lack of a 32-bit image has already forced me to look at the Debian mini.iso. Since the Ubuntu netboot image is just a slightly modified verion of the Debian one, Debian feels comfortably familiar.

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by guiverc View Post
    No, this is not a great place to be seen by Lubuntu developers.

    PCman, the developer of `pcmanfm`, the file manager used by LXDE which also handles much of the desktop itself ported the GTK2 code to GTK3 and blogged on how much heavier GTK3 was on his own blog. His blog was (being a developer) rather technical and heavy.. but it's there. PCman then ported it to Qt5 and it was much lighter/faster... which eventually lead to many of the LXDE team joining with Razor-Qt team members on a new LXQt project.

    I do testing of Ubuntu flavors, and still use x86 laptops (eg. IBM Thinkpad t43, pentium M & 1gb ram using Lubuntu 18.04 LTS), and used to use Ubuntu-MATE on that t43. However back ~16.04 when MATE moved from GTK2 to GTK3, I no longer wanted to use MATE on that laptop as it was too heavy for it (it was just slow). Xubuntu or XFCE (I also love) also slowed down as it ported from GTK2 to GTK3. XFCE didn't complete it's GTK3 move until 19.10 (not much fun on x86 anyway, but I had to try it!)

    Lubuntu was the last to move from GTK2, and I feared how good it would be on my really old x86 boxes with 1GB of RAM; and I was pleasantly surprised. I'd seen MATE and then XFCE slow down as they moved to GTK3, but Lubuntu with LXQt was comparatively much faster & leaner (Lubuntu 18.10 & 19.04). I also use pentium-4 machines in testing, and it was very similar (I've only used all GTK3/19.10 Xubuntu on pentium 4; though I increased ram once x86 ISOs stopped being produced during 19.04 cycle; RAM being kept limited for testing purposes)

    Yes on those limited systems (single core pentium M cpu, 1GB of ram) I'm careful with application choice, and the switch from GTK to Qt does require changing applications (unless you're willing to waste resources by having two libraries in memory that do the same thing, one for DE, one just for app which isn't a good idea with 1GB ram), changes I make for my own usage, thus did for testing purposes too.

    I was very impressed with Lubuntu using LXQt on various single core pentium M & pentium 4 boxes in 18.10 & 19.04 (both of which are EOL now, so now 18.04 is the only supported release for x86).

    Yes I tested the same on better hardware too, but I think Lubuntu did a really good job.

    End-users maybe don't think about their application choice (thus use apps that don't share libraries used by desktop thus wasting memory/resources, destroying any leanness of their desktop, and could be better suited making a different desktop choice to begin with given their application choices (or having more than one desktop installed and selecting at login depending on what you want to do in that session; my used boxes have)).


    (The effect of GTK2 to GTK3 move wasn't as apparent on c2d, c2q & better cpus, so maybe the results will vary on your CPU in use; it was most noticeable by me on the older single core pentium M cpus, or single/dual-core pentium 4s)




    Hi,

    I have no idea what gtk2, gtk3, Qt5, Razor-Qt are and to be honest I don't see any reason why I should know. If I am not mistaken Ubuntu was designed to make Linux accessible to people like me who just want to use their computer without worrying about esoteric technicalities. And I had understood that Lubuntu was supposed to make it light in order that it could easily run on older machines. My laptop (Lenovo B590) is old (8 years, I'm guessing) but not ancient. And Lubuntu 20.04 does run but it's slow. My question I suppose is a wider philosophical one. Why the urge perpetually and in a mad rush to upgrade to 'better' technology if things are working just fine as they are for the average user? Surely that is one of the things we hate about Windows! I do accept that I am in a minority of one here so far as my Lubuntu 20.04 complaint is concerned and in my attitude to 'development', and probably also a bit of a Luddite.
    Last edited by rdh61; 4 Weeks Ago at 06:58 PM.

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Chanath View Post
    Have you tried Kubuntu 20.04 on your older machines?
    No, what's the reasoning?

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by VMC View Post
    Can you please list your hardware: CPU, RAM, HD, GRAPHICS.
    Sure. Please could you tell me how I can get that information with a terminal command?

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Run command
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    inxi -Fzx
    and copy the output back here.

    Please use Code-Tags for terminal output as it makes that output much more easily read and understood, formatting the text as seen in terminal, not as plain text when it is copied and pasted. See my signature below for a How-to
    DISTRO: Xubuntu 20.04-64bit --- Code-tags --- Boot-Repair --- Grub2 wiki & Grub2 Basics --- RootSudo --- Wireless-Info --- SolvedThreads

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by rdh61 View Post
    No, what's the reasoning?
    I wasn't asking you, sorry. I was asking @guiverc. I don't have any old machines any more, so the interest.

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Code:
    robert@roberts-work-laptop:~$ inxi -Fzx
    System:
      Kernel: 5.4.0-31-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 9.3.0 
      Desktop: LXQt 0.14.1 Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) 
    Machine:
      Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 37613JG v: Lenovo B590 
      serial: <filter> 
      Mobo: LENOVO model: 37613JG v: 31900003 Std serial: <filter> 
      UEFI: LENOVO v: H9ET74WW(1.11) date: 06/26/2013 
    Battery:
      ID-1: BAT0 charge: 35.1 Wh condition: 35.2/42.8 Wh (82%) 
      model: SMP 45N1045 status: Unknown 
      Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse M185 
      charge: 55% (should be ignored) status: Discharging 
    CPU:
      Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Celeron 1005M bits: 64 type: MCP 
      arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 L2 cache: 2048 KiB 
      flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 7582 
      Speed: 1198 MHz min/max: 1200/1900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1197 
      2: 1197 
    Graphics:
      Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics vendor: Lenovo 
      driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
      Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: modesetting 
      unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
      OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 2500 (IVB GT1) 
      v: 4.2 Mesa 20.0.4 direct render: Yes 
    Audio:
      Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio 
      vendor: Lenovo driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
      Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.4.0-31-generic 
    Network:
      Device-1: Broadcom and subsidiaries BCM43142 802.11b/g/n vendor: Lenovo 
      driver: wl v: kernel port: efa0 bus ID: 02:00.0 
      IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter> 
      Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
      vendor: Lenovo driver: r8169 v: kernel port: 2000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
      IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter> 
      IF-ID-1: br-031ef41d3be2 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter> 
      IF-ID-2: docker0 state: down mac: <filter> 
      IF-ID-3: veth10dc389 state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full 
      mac: <filter> 
      IF-ID-4: veth9661eb3 state: up speed: 10000 Mbps duplex: full 
      mac: <filter> 
    Drives:
      Local Storage: total: 313.00 GiB used: 51.81 GiB (16.6%) 
      ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST320LT012-9WS14C 
      size: 298.09 GiB temp: 35 C 
      ID-2: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Verbatim model: STORE N GO 
      size: 14.91 GiB 
    Partition:
      ID-1: / size: 126.53 GiB used: 49.42 GiB (39.1%) fs: ext4 
      dev: /dev/sda6 
    Sensors:
      System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0 C mobo: 31.0 C 
      Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 
    Info:
      Processes: 195 Uptime: 1h 07m Memory: 3.70 GiB used: 921.7 MiB (24.3%) 
      Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 9.3.0 Shell: bash v: 5.0.16 
      inxi: 3.0.38 
    robert@roberts-work-laptop:~$

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by rdh61 View Post
    ...so I cannot say at exactly what point this change occurred. Next time I'll move to Mint with XFCE.
    Here's one reasoning : "LXDE used GTK2 which is EOL, they didnt like GTK3 thus switched to QT"

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    Re: Lubuntu just got worse

    Quote Originally Posted by rdh61 View Post
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    "Why did you take a nice, lightweight, functional system and make it bloated, complicated and buggy?" I refer of course to 20.04 LTS.
    Interesting.

    I'm running Lubuntu 20.04 LTS on this old desktop and it's specs aren't much different from yours specs.

    I pieced this desktop together with spare parts and installed Lubuntu 20.04 LTS and it works great and not buggy at all.

    (specs listed in this thread link 2nd window 1st post).

    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2444335

    I found LXQT to have a little bit of a learning curve for me but easy to overcome with the documentation offered here.

    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/
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