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    Lightbulb Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    NOTE: Similar thread regarding 18.04 differences.

    Ubuntu 20.04 Release Notes

    Not much is mentioned in the release notes about the differences between the "live" installer verses the Debian installer now called "legacy" except that live now has more support for automated installs.

    This thread will attempt to list any notable differences between the installers.

    The purpose being that if you still need to use the legacy installer today, you had better let your voice be heard about what needs to change in the live installer because it has been said that 22.04 will only have the live installer from that point forward.

    Difference #1

    The list of packages installed are slightly different.

    Installed packages from 20.04 live that are not present in 20.04 legacy are:

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    cloud-init/focal,now 20.1-10-g71af48df-0ubuntu5 all
    console-setup/focal,now 1.194ubuntu3 all
    eatmydata/focal,now 105-7 all
    gdisk/focal,now 1.0.5-1 amd64
    libeatmydata1/focal,now 105-7 amd64
    python3-distutils/focal,now 3.8.2-1ubuntu1 all
    python3-importlib-metadata/focal,now 1.5.0-1 all
    python3-jinja2/focal,now 2.10.1-2 all
    python3-json-pointer/focal,now 2.0-0ubuntu1 all
    python3-jsonpatch/focal,now 1.23-3 all
    python3-jsonschema/focal,now 3.2.0-0ubuntu2 all
    python3-lib2to3/focal,now 3.8.2-1ubuntu1 all
    python3-markupsafe/focal,now 1.1.0-1build2 amd64
    python3-more-itertools/focal,now 4.2.0-1build1 all
    python3-pyrsistent/focal,now 0.15.5-1build1 amd64
    python3-serial/focal,now 3.4-5.1 all
    python3-setuptools/focal,now 45.2.0-1 all
    python3-zipp/focal,now 1.0.0-1 all
    thermald/focal,now 1.9.1-1build1 amd64
    Installed packages from 20.04 legacy that are not present in 20.04 live are:

    Code:
    installation-report/focal,focal,now 2.62ubuntu1 all
    language-pack-en-base/focal,focal,now 1:20.04+20200416 all
    language-pack-en/focal,focal,now 1:20.04+20200416 all
    laptop-detect/focal,focal,now 0.16 all
    tasksel-data/focal,focal,now 3.34ubuntu16 all
    tasksel/focal,focal,now 3.34ubuntu16 all
    Difference #2

    Custom partitioning such as a separate /boot and LVM are a bit more confusing to configure now and requires a workaround. Reference topic

    Difference #3

    20.04 Live:
    Code:
    # snap list
    Name    Version   Rev    Tracking         Publisher   Notes
    core18  20200427  1754   latest/stable    canonical✓  base
    lxd     4.0.1     14954  latest/stable/…  canonical✓  -
    snapd   2.44.3    7264   latest/stable    canonical✓  snapd
    20.04 Legacy:
    Code:
    # snap list
    No snaps are installed yet. Try 'snap install hello-world'.
    Difference #4

    Live Installer does not recognize luks encrypted boot partition. Reference link.
    Last edited by LHammonds; August 16th, 2021 at 06:02 PM.

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    Re: Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    On Difference #2 which is more confusing?

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    Re: Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    Quote Originally Posted by LHammonds View Post
    The purpose being that if you still need to use the legacy installer today, you had better let your voice be heard about what needs to change in the live installer because it has been said that 22.04 will only have the live installer from that point forward.
    Oh. I only use the "legacy" installer and do not like the live installer.
    Any follow-up information on your issue would be appreciated. Please have the courtesy to report back.

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    Re: Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    I am very interested in this... I could easily get in trouble discussing some of these things. In fact, I had to edit my post, before even sending it. Too emotional. Those changes are above our heads.

    I'm testing 21.10 for KVM and such. Getting a peek at some of those changes for/before 22.04. We'll see this Winter.

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    Re: Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    Added another issue found regarding the installer not recognizing a luks encrypted boot partition. Reference post

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    Re: Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    I have one for you that also falls into with the partitioner... Pre-partitioned disks... You should be able to go to each partition and edit how you want to mount... and what you want to do right?

    I had to create a test disk, to test a system rescue scenario:
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    Disk is GPT with sda[1-7]
    sda1 is marked as bios_grub 5MB, unformatted
    sda2 is EFI 500MB, fat32 (marked as ESF and Bootable)
    sda3 is 1GB and ext4 (Boot)
    (sda4-7 are evenly divided up.)
    sda4 is / ext4
    sda[5-7] are RAID5 and /home
    
    #Without LVM
    Even first going into it, with nothing selected, it will not let you select any disk as the boot disk. The option stays greyed out and you cannot go on from there.

    If you try to delete any partitions the message is: "Cannot delete partition of local disk- Cannot delete a single partition of a disk that already has partitions."

    It will let you delete "All" the partitions, but is labeled in it's menu's as "Reformat", of the disk popup menu, then when selected, says it's going to delete all the partitions on the disk. LOLIf you delete them all, then it will let you select the disk to boot from it. Now does that really make sense?

    So even though it had been a dual-boot UEFI and BIOS bootable disk, that could be pulled out and put into anything, and all the partition flags where there, the new partitioner does not recognize them. The 18.04 and 20.04 Desktop partitioner does. The installer for "Something Else" really falls short in many ways. Besides not recognizing the partition flags, it will not recognize partition labels, filesystems (correctly), nor filesystem labels. There of those partitions were marked as RAID...

    Even when doing something standard, options are greyed out... and when you try to go them, it will give you warnings that it is a "bad idea." (In those words exact words. LOL)

    Even more so with RAID. In the old, you could customize many settings. No with the newer. There are only basic options.

    To retest on the same disk, I had to delete all and start fresh... Then later go back to move things to allow for a dual boot rescue scenario.

    I don't know. I always figured if you went into advanced settings, with would be a custom install, you "should" be able to 'do things' without having to hack it and use work-arounds.

    I know I don't end up doing normal things for testing... But most of it isn't that far from the norm.

    EDIT:
    <<I have screen shots>>

    All it will let you add as the first partition on a new GPT disk on UEFI is the /boot/efi partition. No matter what you try... You can say 5mb, unformatted, and unmounted. It automatically adds a 512MB ?boot/efi partition. And if you add it manually outside of it, it is back at square one.

    When it does finished an installation, you can manually shrink that partition and add the bios_grub partition back in... and it will boot just fine still.

    Oh... The logic for LVM on RAID is incorrect. In the partitioner, it thinks you need to install on RAID before there is a partition on the Array... Once a partition is added to the Array, then it thinks that LVM cannot be on it... And if you create an Array, it only thinks LVNM can only be installed to RAID, and ignores any regular partitions as eligible.
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    Re: Ubuntu Server 20.04 - Difference between "live" and "legacy"

    Quote Originally Posted by MAFoElffen View Post
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    Would these steps help any? The main magic sauce being "Format: Leave unformatted"

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    "Maybe." LOL. Some of those things don't seem to make logical sense. And some of those are creating support issues later. (Example: LVM installed without being within a partition)

    It doesn't like pre-configured disks, unless you do it by popping in and out of the installer to do it manually, at the time, to trick it. Or save some steps for after the install, which creates more work. The mystery is, that you can do some of those things we can't do in Live, in the autoinstaller script recipe.

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