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    Question Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Hello, I would like to ask for a help regarding installation of Lubuntu on my old notebook. In the past, I successfully installed Lubuntu in VirtualBox on Windows 10 and as a base system on my old computer because no issue appears and I just clicked next button again and again .

    That changed with my old notebook: MSI U123 (Model Names from BIOS: MS-N033), 32-bit architecture, no optical disc drive.

    What I did:
    1. I created bootable USB flash disk via Rufus software on my second Windows 10 notebook.
    1a. ISO: lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso
    1b. New volume label: Lubuntu (no spaces, numbers, etc.)
    1c. Method: Write in ISO Image mode (the recommended one, not DD Image mode)
    2. I successfully boot from USB flash disk to intro screen (I have not GRUB).
    3a. I tried Install Lubuntu option.
    3b. I tried to press F6 and select nomodeset option before I select Install Lubuntu option.
    3c. I tried to press F6 and select nomodeset, acpi=off, noapic, and nolapic options before I select Install Lubuntu option.
    3d. I tried to press F6, than Escape and modify the Boot Options via text line from: file=/cdrom/preseed/lubuntu.seed FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=original vga=788 initrd=/install/initrd.gz quiet --- to: file=/cdrom/preseed/lubuntu.seed FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=original vga=788 initrd=/install/initrd.gz nomodeset --- nomodeset
    3d1: Because I removed quiet option, I expected some log but nothing appears.

    Everytime, the installer stuck and nothing happened.

    My observations:
    1. When I tried to install Windows XP back, the HDD was labelled with E and the flash disk (with the installation files) was labelled with C. It is strange, isn't it?
    2. I was not able to start Debian live.
    3. I was able to start TinyCore and Porteus live.
    Last edited by david-sen; December 27th, 2019 at 02:41 PM.

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Hi, welcome to the fora.

    Quote Originally Posted by david-sen View Post
    I successfully boot from USB flash disk to intro screen
    So far, so good. In stead of installing try the live boot option.

    From here, please copy
    Code:
    sudo lshw -sanitize > lshw.txt
    and paste it onto the command line, run it and post lshw.txt in CODE tags.
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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Thank you for the hint. I missed the Live option in Lubuntu image. If I get it right, it's available only in 64-bit version. Am I right?

    I run lshw command in Porteus live.
    Code:
    computer
        description: Desktop Computer
        product: MS-N033 (To be filled by O.E.M.)
        vendor: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
        version: Ver.001
        serial: [REMOVED]
        width: 32 bits
        configuration: boot=normal chassis=desktop family=To be filled by O.E.M. sku=To be filled by O.E.M. uuid=[REMOVED]
      *-core
           description: Motherboard
           product: U-100
           vendor: MICRO-STAR INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD
           physical id: 0
           version: Ver.001
           serial: [REMOVED]
           slot: To be filled by O.E.M.
         *-firmware
              description: BIOS
              vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
              physical id: 0
              version: 4.6.3
              date: 04/24/2009
              size: 64KiB
              capacity: 960KiB
              capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer int10video acpi ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification
         *-cpu
              description: CPU
              product: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N280   @ 1.66GHz
              vendor: Intel Corp.
              physical id: 4
              bus info: cpu@0
              version: 6.12.2
              serial: [REMOVED]
              slot: CPU 1
              size: 1667MHz
              capacity: 4GHz
              width: 32 bits
              clock: 667MHz
              capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts cpuid aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dtherm
              configuration: id=0
            *-cache:0
                 description: L1 cache
                 physical id: 5
                 slot: L1-Cache
                 size: 24KiB
                 capacity: 24KiB
                 capabilities: internal write-back unified
            *-cache:1
                 description: L2 cache
                 physical id: 6
                 slot: L2-Cache
                 size: 512KiB
                 capacity: 512KiB
                 capabilities: internal varies unified
            *-logicalcpu:0
                 description: Logical CPU
                 physical id: 0.1
                 width: 32 bits
                 capabilities: logical
            *-logicalcpu:1
                 description: Logical CPU
                 physical id: 0.2
                 width: 32 bits
                 capabilities: logical
         *-memory
              description: System Memory
              physical id: 25
              slot: System board or motherboard
              size: 1008MiB
            *-bank:0
                 description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous [empty]
                 product: PartNum0
                 vendor: Manufacturer0
                 physical id: 0
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 slot: DIMM0
            *-bank:1
                 description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous [empty]
                 product: PartNum1
                 vendor: Manufacturer1
                 physical id: 1
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 slot: DIMM1
         *-pci
              physical id: 100
              bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
              version: 03
              width: 32 bits
              clock: 33MHz
            *-display:0 UNCLAIMED
                 physical id: 2
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: msi pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: latency=0
                 resources: memory:dfe80000-dfefffff ioport:e0f0(size=8) memory:c0000000-cfffffff memory:dff00000-dff3ffff memory:c0000-dffff
            *-display:1 UNCLAIMED
                 physical id: 2.1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:02.1
                 version: 03
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: latency=0
                 resources: memory:dfe00000-dfe7ffff
            *-multimedia UNCLAIMED
                 physical id: 1b
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
                 version: 02
                 width: 64 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: latency=0
                 resources: memory:ffe00000-ffe03fff
            *-pci:0
                 physical id: 1c
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.0
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=pcieport
                 resources: irq:16 ioport:d000(size=4096) memory:dfd00000-dfdfffff ioport:ffd00000(size=1048576)
               *-network
                    description: Ethernet interface
                    physical id: 0
                    bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
                    logical name: eth0
                    version: 02
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    capacity: 100Mbit/s
                    width: 64 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list rom ethernet physical tp aui bnc mii fibre 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
                    configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 latency=0 link=no multicast=yes port=MII
                    resources: irq:16 ioport:d000(size=256) memory:ffd10000-ffd10fff memory:ffd00000-ffd0ffff memory:dfd00000-dfd1ffff
            *-pci:1
                 physical id: 1c.2
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.2
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=pcieport
                 resources: irq:18 ioport:2000(size=4096) memory:dfc00000-dfcfffff ioport:40000000(size=2097152)
               *-network
                    description: Wireless interface
                    physical id: 0
                    bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
                    logical name: wlan0
                    version: 01
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    width: 64 bits
                    clock: 33MHz
                    capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix bus_master cap_list ethernet physical wireless
                    configuration: broadcast=yes driver=ath9k driverversion=4.19.10-tinycore firmware=N/A ip=[REMOVED] latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
                    resources: irq:18 memory:dfc00000-dfc0ffff
            *-usb:0
                 physical id: 1d
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:23 ioport:e080(size=32)
            *-usb:1
                 physical id: 1d.1
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.1
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:19 ioport:e060(size=32)
            *-usb:2
                 physical id: 1d.2
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.2
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:18 ioport:e040(size=32)
            *-usb:3
                 physical id: 1d.3
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.3
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: bus_master
                 configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
                 resources: irq:16 ioport:e020(size=32)
            *-usb:4
                 physical id: 1d.7
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pm debug bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=ehci-pci latency=0
                 resources: irq:23 memory:dff40000-dff403ff
            *-pci:2
                 physical id: 1e
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
                 version: e2
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: pci bus_master cap_list
            *-isa
                 physical id: 1f
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 33MHz
                 capabilities: isa bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=lpc_ich latency=0
                 resources: irq:0
            *-ide
                 physical id: 1f.2
                 bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.2
                 version: 02
                 width: 32 bits
                 clock: 66MHz
                 capabilities: ide pm bus_master cap_list
                 configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
                 resources: irq:19 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:e0a0(size=16)
         *-scsi:0
              physical id: 1
              logical name: scsi0
              capabilities: emulated
            *-disk
                 description: ATA Disk
                 product: WDC WD1600BEVT-2
                 vendor: Western Digital
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/sda
                 version: 1A11
                 serial: [REMOVED]
                 size: 149GiB (160GB)
                 capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                 configuration: ansiversion=5 signature=04750866
               *-volume:0
                    description: Windows NTFS volume
                    physical id: 1
                    bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                    logical name: /dev/sda1
                    version: 3.1
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 148GiB
                    capacity: 148GiB
                    capabilities: primary ntfs initialized
                    configuration: clustersize=4096 created=2019-12-26 23:57:11 filesystem=ntfs state=clean
               *-volume:1
                    description: EXT3 volume
                    vendor: Linux
                    physical id: 2
                    bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                    logical name: /dev/sda2
                    version: 1.0
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 1GiB
                    capacity: 1GiB
                    capabilities: primary bootable journaled extended_attributes large_files ext3 ext2 initialized
                    configuration: created=2019-12-27 20:29:38 filesystem=ext3 lastmountpoint=/mnt/sda2 modified=2019-12-27 23:35:29 mounted=2019-12-27 23:35:28 state=clean
         *-scsi:1
              physical id: 2
              bus info: usb@1:1
              logical name: scsi2
              capabilities: emulated scsi-host
              configuration: driver=usb-storage
            *-disk
                 description: SCSI Disk
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/sdb
                 size: 7680MiB (8053MB)
                 capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                 configuration: signature=02687a2d
               *-volume
                    description: Windows FAT volume
                    vendor: SYSLINUX
                    physical id: 1
                    bus info: scsi@2:0.0.0,1
                    logical name: /dev/sdb1
                    logical name: /mnt/sdb1
                    version: FAT32
                    serial: [REMOVED]
                    size: 7676MiB
                    capacity: 7679MiB
                    capabilities: primary bootable fat initialized
                    configuration: FATs=2 filesystem=fat mount.fstype=vfat mount.options=rw,relatime,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,allow_utime=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro state=mounted
         *-scsi:2
              physical id: 3
              bus info: usb@1:6
              logical name: scsi3
              capabilities: emulated scsi-host
              configuration: driver=ums-realtek
            *-disk
                 description: SCSI Disk
                 physical id: 0.0.0
                 bus info: scsi@3:0.0.0
                 logical name: /dev/sdc
      *-network DISABLED
           description: Ethernet interface
           physical id: 1
           logical name: dummy0
           serial: [REMOVED]
           capabilities: ethernet physical
           configuration: broadcast=yes driver=dummy driverversion=1.0
    Last edited by david-sen; December 27th, 2019 at 11:39 PM.

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Do you really have <700MB of RAM? That is what the alternative download option is for (plus it's no longer produced, so you're using a version that is very old and thus will have loads of updates).


    The alternative ISO does NOT include 'live' mode as that required most of 700MB of RAM, which didn't leave any for `ubiquity` to actually run; thus the existence it's existence. In most cases though its not the ISO to use.

    I'll provide

    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1...the_image.html
    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1...tallation.html

    though please note I tested Lubuntu 18.04 LTS using machines as old as from 2003, and 18.10 & 19.04 up with machines as old as 2004 (x86 or 32-bit only boxes). All my x86/32-bit boxes had 1GB of ram or more (1.5 being the average). A quick scan tells me your machine is from 2009 which is much newer; the newest x86 only I have is from 2008 (asus eeepc) so I'd hope your box will boot & run x86_64 but I don't know. (32bit winxp was often put on new things as it was cheaper)

    From the Lubuntu site i'll provide the following

    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1...the_image.html
    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1...tallation.html

    I'd always suggest using the 'Check disc for defects' option mentioned in the 1.3 page (note screens for the manual prefer to 'stable' version which is currently 19.10. Also I'll mention many sites offer Lubuntu for download, but only the official site is under the control of Ubuntu/Lubuntu so I believe it's safer to not use search engines like google to find the site, but go to ubuntu.com directly where you'll end up at https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours which will send you to official sites which will provide official images that haven't been doctored. If you did download it from a 3rd party site, I'd suggest ensuring it validates correctly (https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutoria...erify-ubuntu#0 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...IntegrityCheck which whilst not for Lubuntu, apply equally to all flavors, but get the checksum from an official site!)
    Last edited by guiverc; December 27th, 2019 at 11:04 PM.

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Thank you for the overview. This time I downloaded ISOs from the official page (last time I thought that it's official page but it wasn't).

    1. I started with 19.10 Eoan Ermine (LXQt) / 64-bit, there is no 32-bit version. Option Start Lubuntu (safe graphics) shows This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Therefore, I continue with 32-bit version of the oldest version.
    2. 18.04.3 Bionic Beaver LTS (LXDE) / 32-bit. I tried both, Try Lubuntu without installing and Install Lubuntu options. Unfortunately, none of them started. I also tried Check disc for defects option that you pointed out and also this one does not start.

    In my previous post, I posted my configuration obtained via lshw command if it can help.

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Using data from the output of lshw:

    From Intel's data sheet for Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N280 @ 1.66GHz:

    - Intel® 64 ‡ No
    - Instruction Set 32-bit

    So you need a 32-bit operating system for this computer.

    Good news: RAM size 1008MiB (approx 1 GiB), which is enough for the desktop installer (and running Lubuntu live)

    Edit: You might have better luck with a really small operating system, for example Tiny Core or Puppy Linux.

    I think Debian 32 -bit could be an alternative, but will probably not work better than 32-bit Lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS.
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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Have a look at Peppermint 10 - based on Lubuntu with xfce panel.

    Min RAM is 512MB and 32bit ISO is available

    https://peppermintos.com/
    Last edited by tea for one; December 28th, 2019 at 12:54 AM.

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU." is the message I get when I boot a x86_64 image on a x86 only cpu - so your n280 (my eeepc has n270) can only boot x86 (I didn't read your `lshw`detail sorry).

    I would suggest either Lubuntu 18.04 (inc. 18.04.3) LTS (supported until 2021-April) or Debian 10. I would expect both to operate on my eeepc so should be fine for yours (it's within reach, but I'm to lazy to boot it to see which is installed).

    Ubuntu is generally easier (more support options, easier to setup etc) than Debian, but if you start with the debian non-free ISO's, debian on most boxes is pretty easy too. i have two boxes (2 of 17) both with same video card that do better with Ubuntu on initial boot or out-of-the-box thus I consider Ubuntu more newbie-friendly; I test Debian as well as Ubuntu. I would go with Debian if you want support beyond 2021-April (re: Ubuntu & those downstream of Ubuntu)

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Thank you very much for all hints. In the end, I installed Porteus on my old notebook. TinyCore worked also fine. Lubuntu and Debian didn't work (both, live version and install process) probably because of old HW. I can run Lubuntu Live on my new notebook.

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    Re: Clean install from USB flash disk not started

    Congratulations and thanks for marking the thread solved.
    Generally speaking people should not try to install from a live boot with 1 GB of memory or less. Better to install in a text-only environment like described here.

    You have two good options already so it's probably a moot point. Just in case other people see the thread.
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