accessing a web site via IPv6 only in firefox

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If you're looking for fingers to point, neither Ubuntu nor Gentoo use ipv6 on their web servers. Several other Linux distribution web sites and forum sites appear to not have ipv6 support either. That said, I'm not sure we really need to push on that. They'll get the message sooner or later, and it also seems that most of the Linux forums are hosted on a third-party website. So the lack of ipv6 support isn't really their fault.

Last time I was on a university network, they were still arguing about whether root domains like .com would be a thing or not, and gopherspace still saw traffic. So I have no idea about ipv6 implementations there.

I don't know about partial implementations of ipv6 on porn (or any other) sites as a security mechanism. That seems like WAY more work than it's worth. IPV6 implementations and defaults are a moving target and that's not likely to change soon. Modern sites have excellent security if it's implemented correctly, no need for ipv4-vs-ipv6 anywhere, or even a real need to put more restricted documents on another site.

What I was talking about is more the idea that some hard-coded link on the site goes to an ipv4-only server, and if that link has functionality instead of just ad space then the site is broken.

[Skaperen]

lt2a/forums /home/forums 2> cat /etc/host.conf
# The "order" line is only used by old versions of the C library.
order hosts,bind
multi on
lt2a/forums /home/forums 3>

it's already on.

[Skaperen]

here is some tcpdump output of me browsing around the www.osu.edu (The Ohio State University) web site with firefox 68. there were a number of AAAA records returned, but no connections were ever made in the IPv6 stack. maybe something is misconfigured? the only network change i have made is adding the VPN to my VPS server to get IPv6 and obscure my real location (although Google figured it out).

the file is compressed with xz.

[Skaperen]

If you're looking for fingers to point, neither Ubuntu nor Gentoo use ipv6 on their web servers. Several other Linux distribution web sites and forum sites appear to not have ipv6 support either. That said, I'm not sure we really need to push on that. They'll get the message sooner or later, and it also seems that most of the Linux forums are hosted on a third-party website. So the lack of ipv6 support isn't really their fault.

i guess i can ride the merry-go-round and point outward.

when we start to get lag in IPv4, maybe they will get things going on IPv6. i want to be a part of that lag. if i can make things that create the lag where it can result in more pressure on IPv4-only websites to upgrade, then i think that is a good thing.

Last time I was on a university network, they were still arguing about whether root domains like .com would be a thing or not, and gopherspace still saw traffic. So I have no idea about ipv6 implementations there.

gopher over IPv6 ... i guess that's not a thing.

I don't know about partial implementations of ipv6 on porn (or any other) sites as a security mechanism. That seems like WAY more work than it's worth. IPV6 implementations and defaults are a moving target and that's not likely to change soon. Modern sites have excellent security if it's implemented correctly, no need for ipv4-vs-ipv6 anywhere, or even a real need to put more restricted documents on another site.

i think it's the porn site operators trying to boost IPv6 by making their sites "better" for those who access via IPv6. i can envision a few ways to do that. one way would be https://ipv6.example.com/ offering more stuff and/or more of it being free instead of pay. i have talked with one porn site operator and he was very technical and knew his way around Linux and networking (but this was about 20 years ago, before i saw pressure to bring up IPv6 (and before Cisco routers normally did it).

What I was talking about is more the idea that some hard-coded link on the site goes to an ipv4-only server, and if that link has functionality instead of just ad space then the site is broken.

i think it's just the operators wanting to see more IPv6. but they don't need to break links to do it. whatever means they use to deny access for those who have not logged in with their payment authorized account can check if the request is via IPv6 or is in their IPv6-only mirror site and allow the access that way. or they can have a "ipv6 pw=freebies" userid, or such, that only works if coming in via IPv6.

there are many ways to program web sites.

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i think it's the porn site operators trying to boost IPv6 by making their sites "better" for those who access via IPv6. i can envision a few ways to do that. one way would be https://ipv6.example.com/ offering more stuff and/or more of it being free instead of pay. i have talked with one porn site operator and he was very technical and knew his way around Linux and networking (but this was about 20 years ago, before i saw pressure to bring up IPv6 (and before Cisco routers normally did it).

i think it's just the operators wanting to see more IPv6. but they don't need to break links to do it. whatever means they use to deny access for those who have not logged in with their payment authorized account can check if the request is via IPv6 or is in their IPv6-only mirror site and allow the access that way. or they can have a "ipv6 pw=freebies" userid, or such, that only works if coming in via IPv6.

there are many ways to program web sites.

I can't say I have familiarity with porn sites in general, and can't understand why you're focused on that.

In general, they are interested in generating revenue from anyone willing to pay for it. So the very idea of limiting access to revenue-generating content based on something the end user has no control of is not at all logical. It's very clearly a way to get less money than you could without the restriction.

There may be some commercial for-profit site operator somewhere who chooses to use IPV6 as a selector for access to special features, but I'd have to call that an aberration.

In the case I mentioned before, organizations who are trying to promote IPV6 for anyone interested in IPV6, it makes sense to offer some sites ONLY to IPV6 capable systems, for testing and validation purposes.

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i'm not focused on porn sites. i've heard that or read it somewhere. given that and the possibility of them being techies who run some of them and some advantages of IPv6, i'm just speculating about that reason. perhaps they believe that in the future, more people using IPv6 will improve their revenue. i can believe that it could, given that much of IPv6 runs on newer routers. i heard this about 7 years ago, and they may have stopped giving stuff away on IPv6. i have no intention to go find out.

the one operator i talked to hired me from remote to go to his colo and bring his servers back up. 5 of them didn't come back up after a power failure. he lived over 1000 miles away and could not get a flight to do it himself because it was the week right after 9/11. he even offered free access but i preferred the money instead. he paid promptly.

i do plan to make more of my stuff available to IPv6 users, once i figure out the best way to do that on AWS.

i remember back in the 1960s when the UHF TV band was said to offer more TV. we just got a new TV with a UHF dial. i bought a UHF antenna and set it up. i got 2 new channels (WTAP and WOUB) and later a 3rd (WPBO). i have since moved from that area and have heard that WPBO is no longer on the air.

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Glad to hear your not focused on the sites mentioned, notice my brief lack in reply's.
Adoption of IPv6 has been delayed in part due to network address translation (NAT), which takes private IP addresses and turns them into public IP addresses. That way a corporate machine with a private IP address can send to and receive packets from machines located outside the private network that have public IP addresses. (For one example)

Carrier networks and ISPs have been the first group to start deploying IPv6 on their networks, with mobile networks leading the charge. For example, T-Mobile USA has more than 90% of its traffic going over IPv6, with Verizon Wireless close behind at 82.25% (I'm on Verizon now). Comcast and AT&T have its networks at 63% and 65%, respectively, according to the industry group.

When will more deployments occur?

The Internet Society said the price of IPv4 addresses will peak in 2019, and then prices will drop after IPv6 deployment passes the 50% mark. Currently, according to Google, the world has 20% to 22% IPv6 adoption, but in the U.S. it’s about 32%).

As the price of IPv4 addresses begin to drop, the Internet Society suggests that enterprises sell off their existing IPv4 addresses to help fund IPv6 deployment. The Massachusetts Institute of Technology has done this, according to a note posted on GitHub. The university concluded that 8 million of its IPv4 addresses were “excess” and could be sold without impacting current or future needs since it also holds 20 nonillion IPv6 addresses. (A nonillion is the numeral one followed by 30 zeroes.)
Whew I don't have enough fingers and toe's for that one.
Discussion found here: https://gist.github.com/simonster/e2...a4db2b8ea4cce0
At our current rate of progress, IPv6 will be fully implemented on May 10, 2148

[Skaperen]

yeah, lots of big numbers. i have many /56s in AWS where i can divide each one into a /64 per subnet. basically have a huge number of addresses but it's hard to make use of them, especially if i pick one address in all those /56s and try to use it. i have find whap VPC it's on and create a subnet with its /64. then i can launch an instance there.

/56 = 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 addresses