Wayland should not be the default in 18.04.

**Frogs Hair** · December 7th, 2017

I'll be using Xorg on 18.04 and may switch to Budgie. I think generating a list of issues without officially reporting them does little good. Reporting bugs is the current method to give feedback to developers and affect the decision to include Wayland or not.

**grahammechanical** · December 7th, 2017

We should not assume that Gnome.org has finished its implementation of Gnome Shell as a Wayland compositor. The Gnome developers admit that they have more work to do. This page seems to be up to date. It mentions Canonical's decision to switch to Gnome/Wayland.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland

Once the decision was made to switch to Gnome Shell it became sensible (in my opinion) to quickly begin the change over. A change to a different User Interface has to be made between LTS releases as any experimentation during the life cycle of an LTS version risks upsetting users who prefer LTS versions because of their stability.

The work being done as explained by a Ubuntu developer

https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/14/ubunt...-artful-day-1/
https://didrocks.fr/2017/08/15/ubunt...-artful-day-2/

https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/20/ubunt...artful-day-13/

Regards

**mastablasta** · December 8th, 2017

heh... LTS material indeed:

Nvidia binary drivers do not work currently

i still wish they went with KDE. it just seems a better option for desktop (especially since they practically abandoned the extra desktop work). sure gnome was there before, but that was a different gnome. if they had to stay with gnome (say because of know how) it would be better to lend assistance to cinnamon project.

**uRock** · December 8th, 2017

I admit Wayland was enough to make me dump Debian Buster and ubuntu 17.10 on machines and go back to 16.04. There are still three more years to get Wayland squared away.

**ulysses77** · December 9th, 2017

I suppose part of it could be my hardware, but Wayland has been an absolute disaster so far on my machine. It'll be snappier in some respects, then just degrade into a complete and utter mess. I don't think Wayland is bad really, I just think it has a ways to go. I believe once Wayland has some more spit and polish it'll be suitable to replace Xorg.

**sulobanks2** · December 24th, 2017

I agree with cajuncoder. My few sessions with Wayland were frustrating because of the (already mentioned) stuff that didn't work. Between Wayland's issues and snappy forcefully adding folders and loop devices on my system, 17.10 definitely feels like a test release. If Wayland becomes the default in 18.04 (and a few other issues I see in 17.10), I may exhaust the entire support period for 16.04. I understand the desire to move to Wayland, but I'm getting tired of distros defaulting to unfinished software in stable releases (Every KDE release since 3, Unity, GNOME 3, etc). That's what we have unstable/testing releases for.

While Wayland (and snaps) will probably make the Linux desktop more attractive to new users, it's far from ready and should not be the default in an LTS.

**rrnbtter** · December 24th, 2017

Greetings,
I'm using Gnome Wayland in Ubuntu 18.04 and through the entire 17.10 run. I have zero problems and Win7 in virtual box is perfect. There were guest problems with Vbox for a while but it is fixed now, by Oracle of course. I wouldn't get to wound up until the LTS is released. The software dev build for the OS not the OS building for the Software. It should all come together by release time. I was upset in the beginning of Wayland because I couldn't use Luckybackup in super user mode which was the only way to save a profile. It is now working with Wayland Everything is perfect on my two machines both running Wayland and Gnome. I think it is the best OS I have ever used since MSDOS 2.9 on my Tandy 1000.