In-place upgrade 10.04 to 14.04.4

[RobGoss]

Hello and welcome, If you're concerned about conserving resources then you might want to try a lighter distro like Lubuntu it works well on older machines https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu of course there a few more you can try but this is a starting point. Ubuntu.16.04 will require more Ram and resources.

It will also help others if we knew what the specs were for your machine

[Bashing-om]

moot2; Humm,,,,

Depending :

. any pros-cons for them vs Ubuntu? I would like to keep the resource usage at an absolute minimum,

on your will to do, experience level and aggravation threshold;
consider:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...tion/MinimalCD
Where ALL that is installed is the kernel, and minimal networking . You can boot the kernel and then install only what you want .

I run minimal and let me assure you I am impressed .. FAST on old hardware.

There is that learning curve

do you have what it takes

[grahammechanical]

All the flavours of Ubuntu are complete distributions. They all have the usual set of applications. Maybe not the exact same applications but the same set of useful applications. The system utilities will most likely be different.

The differences as regards system resource usage are a matter of different window managers and window compositors. Ubuntu uses something called Compiz that is both a window manager and a window compositor and so the user can have special effects at the expense of increased use of system resources when compared with the other flavours which do not do compositing.

They also have different Desktop Environments and User Interfaces. In this case it comes down to a matter of personal taste. All the flavours of Ubuntu are built on Ubuntu. They have the same Linux kernel and hardware modules. And receive the same support from the Ubuntu kernel team in regard to security fixes.

Regards.

[moot2]

Thank you all for the good input and advise... I will be going through everything said...
First, the system I'm on:
IBM ThinkPad T30, Memory: 1000.3 MiB, Processor: Mobile Intel® Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 1.80GHz, Graphics: R100 (RV200 4C57) x86/MMX/SSE2 DRI2, OS type: 32-bit

Where I am now: I'm running 14.04.4, try from dvd. The reason is as follows...
I installed 16.04 (iso from releases.ubuntu.com), first time with Internet connection and updates options checked. It got to a point of downloading language packages and was taking forever, some of the download time estimates where hundreds of minutes+. Tried to skip... things just got worse, so I did a hard power down.
Next I did the install without Ethernet and selected not to start Wi-Fi. The installation succeeded and I was able to boot from HDD to desktop. I still left the cable out and when I went to connect to my Wi-Fi there were duplicate wi-fi networks (Intersil ISL3874 [Prism 2.5] / ISL3872 [Prism3] (wireless 802.11b MiniPCI Adapter))
I saw my SSID and when I clicked I got the Authentication dialogue - but it would not connect.
I booted off the install dvd and selected the 'try' option - same thing, duplicate, no connect.

Right now I'm running the desktop from the 14.04.4 dvd and am connected wireless, interface 802.11 WiFi(wlan0), Security WEP 40/128-bit Key(Hex or ASCII), Mode: Infrastructure, Authentication: Open System

What I would like to do, and hopefully someone can help...
First remove duplicate WiFi Networks from 16.04 and install the proper drivers for this adapter, i.e., the same one 14.04.4 is using now... or better...

I'm going to reboot now to the 16.04 and use the Ethernet connection...

[Bashing-om]

moot2; Ouch ..

May want to re-consider what distribution you want to install/
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...mRequirements/
The top of the line ubuntu releases need 2 Gigs of ram for a good experience.

WIFI: the drivers in the liveDVD and the install are different. Once up on a wired connection, try and install the WIFI drivers from the "Additional Drivers" utility. The system will try and match a driver to the hardware.

A better choice might be (l)ubuntu:
" Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware."
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu

In any case ->

Welcome to 'buntu

[moot2]

The top of the line ubuntu releases need 2 Gigs of ram for a good experience.

I understand but these laptops are maxed at 1 Gig. Anyway, I want my students to have a learning experience first... patience is something these young kids need to learn... to much 'instant gratification'...

WIFI: the drivers in the liveDVD and the install are different. Once up on a wired connection, try and install the WIFI drivers from the "Additional Drivers" utility. The system will try and match a driver to the hardware.

Tried, no joy...

So is there a sudo command that can remove the device? Once removed maybe another check could find the right driver.
Is there a way to get/use the driver from the liveDVD?
Is there a way to see what driver 14.04.4 is using when running from dvd boot?
Another thought that came to mind is that the adapter is wireless and modem... would explain duplicate entry...
The adapter is Intel, Model: M3AWEB56GA and it does say 802.11b on the label.

any help out there is appreciated

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You can lead a horse to water... but you can't make 'em think

[Bashing-om]

moot2; Sorry;

When it comes to WIFI I am real short on experience. I can add no more; others here will have to advise.

I do a lot of old hardware installs, and I can tell you that each and every one is different, sometimes it is a challenge. There are those times I go as low as (D)amn (S)mall (L)inux or tiny core to get a usable system. You and your students may have a different experience if the hardware is all the same and with the 1 Gig of ram -> a piece of cake.

If I knew everything

I would not be me

[moot2]

moot2; Sorry;

...others here will have to advise.

Sure hope someone can...

...sometimes it is a challenge. There are those times I go as low as (D)amn (S)mall (L)inux or tiny core to get a usable system...

I'm working on making disks for all the versions (supported) and of the suggested 'lite' flavors' ... I am going to start a thread in the Hardware forum in the Compatibility List area...

Anyway, thanks to all that replied... will keep hope that someone has an answer to the Authentication/connection issue...
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You can lead a horse to water... but you can't make 'em think

[deadflowr]

To forgo the hardship of having a rather confusing thread,
Start a thread specific to the wireless issues in this sub-forum:
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336

I would also suggest a quick read through of this sticky:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=370108

It's better to simply do this, and have a thread for the wifi, than hoping you get lucky one of the networking gurus passes by and catches this thread.
Good Luck

[moot2]

To forgo the hardship of having a rather confusing thread,
Start a thread specific to the wireless issues in this sub-forum:
http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336

Will do as soon as I collect the wireless-info as suggested below...

I would also suggest a quick read through of this sticky:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=370108

It's better to simply do this, ...

Thank you

PS... I'm using the T30 (wireless connection) with 14.04.4 and it is working pretty good... better than when running XP