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    better explanation to users needed

    I have 16.04 installed and when I turned on my laptop the past two days I got a message important security os and software updates are available. I check my software update package and nothing shows up. However, on a whim I went to the software centre and there was an update stating this.

    Ubuntu should be more clearer how to obtain these updates to users or at least explain go to to the software centre to update. Just a personal opinion

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    I agree. I too stumbled on this popup. I opened software updater and it said that my computer was up to date. Seems odd that now we have to check two places for updates to make sure our systems are current.

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

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    Not support. This is the place for opinion.

    It's 16.04, been out for, what, two or three weeks? Give it time. Many of us don't go to a new LTS until a few months in (and the official upgrade is not offered until after the first point release, which will be a few months).

    Teething problems are common with new releases. If you want to avoid them, wait a couple or three months after release.
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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    @bucky While I'd agree with a .10 release a LTS release is suppose to be solid from the start, I agree there are always teething problems but things like this should be explained. If I'm going to have to go to my "app store" like Mac to do security updates from now on, it would be nice to get a circle highlight on my software centre to let me know updates are available. Hopefully this gets resolved in time.

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    I rely on the old-fashioned sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    I rely on the old-fashioned sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
    Me too. Although "dist-upgrade" needs attention because it can remove software. First read, then hit Y(es) or N(o).

    However OP has right, others have right also.
    There are some bugs in 16.04 that should be corrected. Release Notes describe these bugs and everyone should read Release Notes before upgrade.
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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    Comments about LTS releases and stability are correct but we do need to take into account a couple of things. It seems that some additions to the LTS had to be made at the last minute otherwise they would not get into the LTS. At least two of these additions were unfinished products.

    If the developers had waited until Gnome Software was polished & fully fitted out it would not now be in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Apparently there is a need for an application store that is compatible with AppStream and the Ubuntu Software Centre would have needed a complete re-write to bring that about. Bringing in Gnome Software has made 16.04 more useful. Not bringing it in due to lack of time would have saddled 16.04 with Ubuntu Software Centre for 5 years.

    The second addition that I am referring to is the running of snap packaged apps in Unity 7 on 16.04. That too is a work in progress. There are next to no useful snap apps to install. So, why bring it in now? Because it is an LTS & it cannot be brought in a year later. So, the foundation is laid for the future.

    Besides, 16.04 is stable. Nobody's OS is going to break because these two additions are not finished and polished. Upgrading Ubuntu Software will take place naturally and the upgrade will not break anyone's OS.

    As I pointed out in some other thread, there have always been more than one location from which a user could start off the system upgrade process. They are different front ends to the Apt commands.

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    Yep, what I said here:

    Also software management and automated updates are a bloody mess in both Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME 16.04!
    IMHO they should have pulled a Dapper and delayed this a couple of months, meaning we had a 6.06, why not a 16.06?

    I'll grant you that people like me know how to check for and install updates, but things need to be simple enough for anyone to just install and use an OS without wondering what to do. And the lack of intuitive & user friendly updates presents a true security risk

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    It always seemed to me like a fixed release cycle causes more problems than it is worth; namely, either including software that's not ready yet or excluding it when it would be ready in a short time. Both problems would be avoided by simply delaying the release. But I can see why commercial-backed distros might want to do a fixed release to ensure constant progress is being made.

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    Re: better explanation to users needed

    Anybody know what happens when you delay release until everything is right?

    Anyone heard of "feature creep"?

    How do you all react if an anticipated event is delayed?

    I release software on my clients' schedules -- as free of bugs as possible -- with the full knowledge that something will be wrong.

    The other choice is missing my clients' delivery expectations. Even worse, I might never release because it would never be right.
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