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Thread: Radeon 9800 problems (was:PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver))

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    Radeon 9800 problems (was:PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver))

    Hi!

    I have had old PowerMac G4 lying around and I figured I'd try to get it running something more current than the Mac OS X 10.5 which was installed on it. First I wanted to try MorphOS and even installed it and everything was running fine - then I found out about MorphOS licensing and the prices and went nope.png.

    I figured - since my other machine is a Xubuntu one - to give Lubuntu PPC a go (because free and I like DEB-based distros anyway).

    So I downloaded the Lubuntu 14.04.2 LTS iso (powerpc variant, not the ppc64el), threw it at dd and made a USB stick with it. Holding down alt to get to bootmenu on the G4 and I was able to boot into the Live installation.
    Everything seemed to work well enough, so I started installation. But then after awhile it gets stuck, "nothing" happens. Yes, I can move the mouse, but I'm unable to click buttons, icons or move the installer window. I tried three times and with various differences, the result was always the same: it gets stuck/ hangs about 2/3rds of the way in. Specifically:

    First try: Hangs on the "select time zone" screen. The "continue" button never turns active and just stays grayed out.
    Second: Hangs before that screen, right after partitions are made on the disc. (I chose the "Erase entire disk and install" each time).
    Third try: like second one.

    Any pointers on what should I try?

    I don't have any other PPC machines around, but have plenty of x86/x64 systems running various operating systems. The MorphOS 3.9 run perfectly well, so I don't think there's anything physically wrong with the machine (it also booted well into the OS X right before I installed MorphOS). It's a Dual 1GHz G4 with 1.25Gb or RAM and a single 80Gb HDD. The graphics is handled by a Radeon 9800 Pro (VGA connector). There's nothing else besides keyboard, mouse, the usb stick and network connected to the machine (and obviously power and display).

    After I type this down, I'm going to try and fine another HDD to test (since it always hangs close enough after partitioning), though I don't believe there's a probleb with it, since MorphOS and Mac OS X worked well, but I'll try anyway.

    Is there a way to run the installer in a "verbose mode" so I could see what it is doing, or does anyone have any bright ideas?

    EDIT: Alternate CD image let me install it in text mode just fine. Now can't boot into it without "video=ofonly" and it still freezes
    Last edited by AnttiV; August 7th, 2015 at 06:19 AM. Reason: Got farther, found out the "real" problem

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    Thread moved to the "Apple Hardware Users" forum.

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    Update: Tried Ubuntu MATE (powerpc) and it hangs at the exact same spot, right when timezone is selected. Sometimes I can press the button and it hangs, sometimes the button stays greyed out and I can't even click on it and then it hangs.

    Tried two different HDDs, everyone has the same problem while MorphOS installs to each HDD perfectly and has no problems. It's Lubuntu/Ubuntu MATE that has this problem thus far.

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    Which ISO are you trying?
    iBook G4 1.42GHz Ubuntu-MATE 15.04
    PowerBook G4 1.67 GHz Debian Wheezy

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    lubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-powerpc.iso and ubuntu-mate-14.04.1-dev.34508-desktop-powerpc.iso, with links from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads

    EDIT: And md5sum checks out with those posted on each page, so the downloads are ok.
    Last edited by AnttiV; August 5th, 2015 at 06:18 PM.

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    what is your video card?
    iBook G4 1.42GHz Ubuntu-MATE 15.04
    PowerBook G4 1.67 GHz Debian Wheezy

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    Like I said in the first post, a Radeon 9800 Pro

    EDIT: It's not the installer. I booted to both of the system and let it just be and just moved the mouse and opened/closed some windows. It crashes without even trying to install. After approx. 2 minutes after it has booted, it freezes/hangs/whatever you want to call it. I figured it might overheat (Because dual G4. They're infamous of getting hotter than hell.) So I opened the case and put a good 120mm fan right on top of the CPU cooler. Didn't have any effect, still crashes after ~2mins uptime.

    I highly doubt it would be because of hardware, since MorphOS and Mac OS X itself were/are perfectly stable. Something in the *buntu live CD makes it freeze after 2 minutes.
    Last edited by AnttiV; August 5th, 2015 at 10:14 PM. Reason: Too quick fingers, pressed enter before I meant ;)

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    Since you're using the graphical desktop installer, you should have better luck with the alternate cd (text-based). Go here:

    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/re....04.2/release/

    and choose the alternate powerpc image.

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    Re: PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver)

    Okay, that helped... a bit. I got the system installed, but that's pretty much the extent of how much it works right now.
    If I just let it boot, it gets to the screen with "Lubuntu" and four dots under it (note that this is a text-screen, not graphics like it "should" be). Right after that it loads a "graphical" screen but it stays black with a mouse pointer. Nothing happens after that. I can change to tty1 and login in text mode (I did this and run apt-get update / upgrade, and while it did upgrade a bunch, it did not help).

    If I boot with "Linux video=ofonly", I get the graphical "Lubuntu with four dots under it" screen and then a normal-looking login screen. I can log on and then pretty much it freezes. I managed to open "System profiler and benchmark", but the window was blank and it freezes right at that point.

    So yeah, it pretty much is my videocard that I have problems with, or at least I can't figure out another culprit at this point.

    EDIT: booting with "radeon.agpmode=-1 video=ofonly" seems to have helped at least for the first minutes - it's been on for 2-3 minutes without freezing. I'll follow the situation

    EDIT2: Yeah, that seems to have done it. It has worked now almost two hours without crashing. The 2D performance is a tad slower than I though, but at least it isn't crashing
    Last edited by AnttiV; August 7th, 2015 at 08:41 AM.

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    Re: Radeon 9800 problems (was:PowerPC Installation, PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver))

    also try this

    Code:
     radeon.modeset=1 video=offb:off video=radeonfb:off radeon.agpmode=-1
    iBook G4 1.42GHz Ubuntu-MATE 15.04
    PowerBook G4 1.67 GHz Debian Wheezy

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