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    Angry Re: Nvidia is at it again

    Thanks for the heads up on the firmware lockout. That rules out the nVIDIA® GM20x GPU's (meaning no dice for the GeForce® GTX™ 960 through 980/Ti, GeForce® GTX™ Titan X™, and Quadro® M6000).
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    nVIDIA® nForce® chipsets require discrete GPU's up to Pascal and appropriate nVIDIA Kernel modules.
    Most intel® ExpressSets™ and AMD® RS-Series are fully supported in open source.

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    Re: Nvidia is at it again

    Take that article with a grain of salt.

    It doesn't get the tenor of the details right. Read the Phoronix article.
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    Re: Nvidia is at it again

    Let me see if I understand this correctly,

    Some people for ethical reasons will not use Nvidia drivers but the will use the open source Nouveau driver even though it is using binary code owned by Nvidia. Is that not apostasy?

    Until NVIDIA finally delivers these signed firmware blobs (they're not even trying to get the source to the firmware, just the signed binary blobs) to Nouveau developers
    Those Nvidia graphic adapters will have to be beyond obsolete before I can afford one. And beside I have no objection to using a proprietary video driver.

    If you're looking toward a new graphics card and don't mind using binary drivers, I'd still highly recommend the new GeForce GTX 900 graphics cards as the new Maxwell GPUs are fantastic performers and offer some great features that are supported well under Linux by the proprietary driver.
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    Re: Nvidia is at it again

    You don't have to be a FOSS purist to find this problematic.

    I have no objection using the proprietary driver. In fact if I pay the $$$ for a Nvidia card I would get the best out of it (i.e using the proprietary driver), if I am satisfied with nouveau I would just get a Intel card, a lot cheaper and much easier to maintain and even performing a lot better (than nouveau). But it still sucks if nouveau would not work at all with the new cards. It is a good fall back and adequate for most basic purposes. How do you test a live iso without installing if nouveau doesn't work at all? And what about a few years down after Nvidia drops support if you can't run nouveau with these cards? Will these be just going to the landfill?

    From the Phoronix article Nvidia said they would give nouveau dev the signed firmware, so it seems it is just due to laziness/disorganisation that they have not done it rather than malice, I hope this will get sorted out soon.
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    Re: Nvidia is at it again

    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity (or, in this case, just not bothering to get around to it.)

    NVIDIA finally became a member of the Linux Foundation. I suspect this particular case is just due to "Uh, ooops. Boss, we forgot to figure out how to get this to work for the Open Source guys."
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    Re: Nvidia is at it again

    nVidia does not have a monopoly on the graphics adapter market. nVidia and Microsoft do make strange bedfellows but thats just the commercial end of 'buisness as usual'.The customers always right. If you slight your user base (even if it is FOSS) then you hurt the numbers because FOSS users will go elsewhere. nVidia will come around. They always do. Sometimes quickly , sometimes slowly. In the meantime I can experience great freedom, speed, ambiance and effervescence using Intel graphics adapters. So it will not take users long to get wary of 'nVidia Inside' stickies on more legacy boxes .. or even current.

    I had a few glitches this (15.04) cycle with proprietary nVidia .. but they have fixed a lot of the earlier bugs.

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    Re: Nvidia is at it again

    Quote Originally Posted by QIII View Post
    Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity (or, in this case, just not bothering to get around to it.)
    Yep.

    The best way to encourage Nvidia and AMD to pay more attention to Linux is to encourage more people to use Linux. They are not charities. More Linux users buying Nvidia/AMD hardware gives them more reason to add resources to their Linux work.

    I've been told the primary motivation for their Linux work has been to cater to high-end workstation users who buy cards priced in the four figures.

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