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    Differences between the kde meta packages in ubuntu 14.04

    I've been trying to understand the difference between all the meta packages for kde in the latest ubuntu release, mostly to try and figure out what would be the smallest (minimal) install of kde I could find in ubuntu. I know these might become obsolete once kde plasma 5 becomes the default, but for now kde 4 is still the default.

    The main meta-packages I've been able to find are:


    • plasma-desktop
    • kde-workspace
    • kde-plasma-desktop
    • kde-standard
    • kubuntu-desktop
    • kde-full


    plasma-desktop and kde-workspace seem to install the same number of programs so I conclude they're the same for all intents and purposes.

    If you install any of these from the mini.iso minimal ubuntu image, these are the number of applications they install:


    • plasma-desktop = 505
    • kde-workspace = 505
    • kde-plasma-desktop = 539
    • kde-standard = 736
    • kubuntu-desktop = 1202
    • kde-full = 1128


    If you have the normal ubuntu desktop installed, and want to install any of these alongside it, this is how many additional packages they install:


    • plasma-desktop = 209
    • kde-workspace = 209
    • kde-plasma-desktop = 243
    • kde-standard = 374
    • kubuntu-desktop = 477
    • kde-full = 677


    Interesting to note that kde-full is bigger than kubuntu-desktop if installed after a ubuntu desktop install, but it is smaller if installed from a minimal ubuntu image.

    I am currently installing plasma-desktop, kde-plasma-desktop, and kde-standard in virtual machines from the mini.iso to see the visual/user experience differences in each. I'll report back when I've installed and used them a bit.

    ***EDIT/UPDATE:

    So I installed all three (plasma-desktop, kde-plasma-desktop, and kde-standard) of the more basic kde meta-packages each in a clean minimal install of ubuntu using the mini.iso and through virtualbox.

    This is what I found.

    First of all, all three (including plasma-desktop) pull in enough packages so that after restarting, you are taken to a graphical login manager automatically and kde is installed.

    plasma-desktop uses lightdm, while kde-plasma-desktop and kde-standard both install lightdm and kdm, and let you choose one as default during installation.

    In the applications menu, plasma-desktop just has these entries:

    system settings
    info center (kinfocenter)
    system monitor (ksysguard)
    nepomuk cleaner
    clipboard tool (klipper)

    kde-plasma-desktop pulls in these entries in addition to the ones from plasma-desktop:

    terminal (konsole)
    file manager (dolphin)
    text editor (kwrite)
    web browser (konqueror)

    and kde-standard pulls in these in addition to the ones from kde-plasma-desktop:

    document viewer (okular)
    imagemagick (display)
    image viewer (gwenview)
    screen capture program (ksnapshot)
    feed reader (akregator)
    instant messenger (kopete)
    mail client (kmail)
    sieve editor
    music player (juk)
    sound mixer (kmix)
    video player (dragon)
    contact manager (kaddressbook)
    personal organizer (korganizer)
    wallet management tool (kwalletmanager)
    advanced text editor (kate)
    archiving tool (ark)
    kmail import wizard
    popup notes (knotes)
    scientific calculator (kcalc)
    system cleaner (sweeper)


    So there you have it. Honestly, I think I'm going to try and just install the plasma-desktop one from a minimal install and then add the packages I want. Seems like the cleanest kde experience possible on ubuntu, but of course I have to try it and see if it's missing anything really essential that might be annoying to configure.

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by user1397; August 15th, 2014 at 09:07 AM.

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    Re: Differences between the kde meta packages in ubuntu 14.04

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    Re: Differences between the kde meta packages in ubuntu 14.04

    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecat View Post
    Thread moved to Ubuntu, Linux and OS Chat.
    makes sense, should've figured that one

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    Re: Differences between the kde meta packages in ubuntu 14.04

    I don't do kde, but thought this may help.

    To find a list of all packages installed, go to Ubuntu Packages. Example ..

    http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kubuntu-desktop

    Using this as an example, you can further reduce the size of the install by leaving off the recommended packages (the ones with a green dot).
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends kubuntu-desktop

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    Re: Differences between the kde meta packages in ubuntu 14.04

    Quote Originally Posted by ibjsb4 View Post
    I don't do kde, but thought this may help.

    To find a list of all packages installed, go to Ubuntu Packages. Example ..

    http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kubuntu-desktop

    Using this as an example, you can further reduce the size of the install by leaving off the recommended packages (the ones with a green dot).
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends kubuntu-desktop
    Indeed sir, that is a way to thin out the meta-package even more. I guess I didn't try to do it with the smaller meta-packages because they were already so tiny, but I do wonder now what if I placed this parameter on the smallest one (plasma-desktop) how many packages would it omit?

    Hmm, gotta fire up virtualbox again

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