Originally Posted by
buzzingrobot
Of course, you installed it. Even if it's just one single binary, you had to copy it from someplace to storage accessible by your system. That's installation.
You can run apps over the web or over a local network, but that's the same thing: The app is installed on storage accessible by your system.
You also said this ......... but if you just unzip something into a folder are you saying that - its the same thing as a .deb that puts things in specific places over the drive
structure .......
In Linux, the tar achive (????.tar.gz) is a direct analogy of zip files in Windows, in that both are simply compressed collections of files, and not intended as automated installation tools.
What I was trying to get to was that you can run Blender by unzipping it into a folder .......... on a older system where it was not installed to ....... and the relative libraries and pointers do not exist. ( we could get into a discussion about zip tar and uncompressing files ....... but its only a complete installation if it affects the operating system
that it is going into - by incorporating itself in a maze or web of connections in that operating system )
Unzipping into a directory // is so much simpler and does not inflict any damage or problems into older systems through having to upgrade libraries or programs that
some of your other older software relies on as dependencies.
The thread is good as it raises the issue ........... if Linux had got the market of supplying software in packages on disk that did not destroy or alter the users OS in such a way that it makes it difficult to remove and add new programs without in some way taking a risk that it may in fact effect the older programs already installed on said system.
Un-zipping into a folder was not what I consider a installation as such ......... as I can easily remove said folder and the program is gone ..........
With a debian gdebi / package manager install ........ only the package manager can uninstall it safely .........
This is where Linux may have got a better hold on the market place .......
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The fact that a TRUE / PROPER install ........
Could not be done without people having to keep upgrading perfectly good systems all the time to get the latest software to run.
That is probably the one thing that kills user systems off ...... leaving them wondering ...... why did I upgrade ..... or why when my graphics / network / sound worked
alright before the install ......... does it not work now.
Its because parts of the system get upgraded that affect other installed packages ...... in such a way that the install will ask you to remove things or lead you into a
dependency hell .........
Unzipping into one directory is not a full install and does not lead to those problems stated above.
My own thoughts are that Blender has done a great job ...... and if only Wings3d could do a similar one - then every 6 months I would not have to go through
similar convoluted methods of getting things working on my own systems that I know work perfectly well , that was before any upgrade or installation of new software
that often is tied back to older ways of running ........
That is why Cinepaint will not install ...... that is why Gnofract4d, K3dsurf etc will only install with lots of messing around ...... it is also why as Ubuntu constantly changes it will constantly lose more and more packages that were made to run on the older versions.
Not because the programs themselves are bad - its because they cannot install without a package of older libraries sitting below them.
I would like to see Linux take a step towards solving the problem of how to package programs - like Blender has done -
So they the programs are not so dependent or interwoven - in such a way that they start to destroy your system when either installing or removing said software
using one of the many package managers available now ....... and all working in slightly different ways ....... (some work better than others in this task).
........ if just unzipped into a single folder ( this to me is not what I class as a full installation ) and can be easily removed without really affecting the OS.
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