The other one is my main computer I use it on the night time ....... but both are connected to TV screens as I find these serve the purpose ..... large enough to see from a distance and also giving out enough heat to keep me warm in winter time
I actually only have this one connected via VGA and for the life of me cannot get both the TV and VGA to work
as I want on this one .......... but I do not need to make problems up .........
I have enough and wish that the monitors one was a simple one to solve .......
( I like the way you think though - minimise the problems - that is what I always try to do
This is why I believe it would be a help to let the user decide or confirm *(what is right or wrong) - when all else seems to fail ......
sometimes users can work if they have 1 or 2 screens plugged into their computer .......... one in the VGA and one into the HDMI ( on my daytime setup ) & ( one connected via HDMI on my night time setup ) .........
but when they do not pick up correctly - the computer carries on setting things at 640 x 480 regardless of wherther or not its possible to install
at this resolution as most things end up off screen - and the windows will not shrink or move up - to see what is below * ( so a install at this resolution is impossible to do ).
Isolate what is going wrong ....... then give an answer that can rectify a problem ......
The one that I tried to give above is to either make the accept button appear in a place where the user can get to it so screen sizes can be changed ........ at least that way the user can change the resolution themselves to one that is workable.
* ( The other may be to add it into the install - but I know how the devs think ..... only the computer can choose as users make mistakes and the automatic configuration of the computer never does make mistakes )
That is why my 40 inch TV is being reported as a 7 inch monitor ........ and I being a user would not know that
this is wrong ...... so it would be stupid to have anything asking me if its correct in the install procedure.
Also when it tells me I have 3 monitors - I could not count or see that there are only 2 visible to me ..........
Larger Text - that is what we old folks need ....... keep working on that one .........
By the way
I would not try to attempt to make you think that the picture I showed of 3 screens
was actually of 3 screens as that would not be a problem - but when only one HDMI cable is
plugged in it makes me wonder if some micro-switch is in the VGA and stuck or some other
thing that for the life of me I cannot fathom how 3 monitor screens show when only 2 could possibly
This is not the case on the Asus - therefore I posted to show 3 monitors were showing on a screenshot - when only one HDMI cable is plugged in connecting it to the TV ......... no VGA plugged in at all on that one.
The computer I am on now typing this out is a dual core Acer Aspire ....... which is connected to both a TV (through HDMI) and to a monitor (through VGA) and for the life of me this too is giving me problems ....
I usually only give comments to help people sort things out ........
I run Ubuntu - Arch - Fedora - Wayland on KDE RB - Mint - Ultimate Edition 4.0 and 5 versions of the 14.04 Testing on different kernels plus many of the back versions of Ubuntu - also Knoppix Kanotix etc ( most are set up with different Display Managers - LXDE - XFCE - Enlightenment - KDE - Ubuntu Unity - Gnome-Shell etc .... )
All the choices lead me to have a good feel - about how each one can perform - also knowing how the installers work for all of them and which work better than others .......
But If I think of improvements because I go through so many installs
then I will try to tell the people that can change the way they work .......
Save me having to use workarounds all the time ....... and the many users that have to do what the computer
could easily accomplish - just by asking for them to confirm certain things along the way.
Like a list of attached monitors the computer thinks I have
*( my response is only a yes/no to each one ) .... the computer says no
Can my TV screen display work in a better mode than 640 x 480 ( can I change this )
EDID information for the TV it reports back .......
....... the computer says no
Display Device 2 (DFP-1):
EDID Name : ORN ORION
Minimum HorizSync : 14.000 kHz
Maximum HorizSync : 46.000 kHz
Minimum VertRefresh : 47 Hz
Maximum VertRefresh : 61 Hz
Maximum PixelClock : 80.000 MHz
Maximum Width : 1920 pixels
Maximum Height : 1080 pixels
Preferred Width : 1280 pixels
Preferred Height : 720 pixels
Preferred VertRefresh : 50 Hz
Physical Width : 160 mm
Physical Height : 90 mm
There needs to be a compromise somewhere between how much automation you can build into a process.
But I do see why it is being done ......... but if it is reported back to the User for them to check at the end
of the process ....... then that to me is a start.
The VGA EDID information these being on the Acer Aspire laptop which has both VGA and HDMI ......
Name : GeForce 9300M GS
PCI BusID : PCI:1:0:0
Number of Display Devices: 3
Display Device 0 (CRT-0):
EDID Name : LG W1946
Minimum HorizSync : 30.000 kHz
Maximum HorizSync : 61.000 kHz
Minimum VertRefresh : 56 Hz
Maximum VertRefresh : 75 Hz
Maximum PixelClock : 90.000 MHz
Maximum Width : 1360 pixels
Maximum Height : 768 pixels
Preferred Width : 1360 pixels
Preferred Height : 768 pixels
Preferred VertRefresh : 60 Hz
Physical Width : 410 mm
Physical Height : 230 mm
The laptop monitor information for EDID .... is below
Display Device 1 (DFP-0):
EDID Name : AUO
Minimum HorizSync : 54.715 kHz
Maximum HorizSync : 54.715 kHz
Minimum VertRefresh : 60 Hz
Maximum VertRefresh : 60 Hz
Maximum PixelClock : 96.300 MHz
Maximum Width : 1440 pixels
Maximum Height : 900 pixels
Preferred Width : 1440 pixels
Preferred Height : 900 pixels
Preferred VertRefresh : 60 Hz
Physical Width : 370 mm
Physical Height : 230 mm
And what is the 5 year plan most big business's have them ..... or will desktops and monitors not be around then.
Ubuntu in 2 more years time ....... ( would feed back and a database - help the developers to set the screens up )
Say that when Users rectified things it was sent back to them ........ electronically ...... like the bug reports.
I will have a good look at the conference you mention - thank you for the information.
Not sure what an easier way is though than asking a User to confirm some things at the end
or if they cannot be bothered - just to skip it and allow the computer to choose as it does now.
"If we need user input then we are doing something wrong"
The thing is at the start someone said that the Edid information or information the computer recieves from X
could be suspect ........ or to put it as he says - it lies to the computer ( a 6 foot wide monitor ).
Which to me says at some point - you have to ask the user to confirm things ......... or at least give them
one small program that will allow them to go in and adjust major things ........ like Screen sizes and the
percentage size of TEXT relative to the overall screen height - obviously when this is 50% of the height of the
screen it is not right.
Most screens the height of text relative to the height of the screen is the thing that matters ........ the relationship
needs to be set via variables ....... ( dpi and everything else needs calculating but as a percentage to the height of the
screen - which obviously needs to be reported back correctly ......... by either the computer or the USer )