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  1. #11
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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    I made the mistake of skipping a port on motherboard. Drives then mount in port order, but if I plug in a flash drive and reboot that flashdrive becomes sdb as that is the missing port order drive. My sda never changes but all the rest may.
    If you know serial numbers as shown by BIOS for mounting.
    fred@fred-Precise:~$ sudo lshw -C Disk -short
    Code:
    H/W path             Device      Class       Description
    ========================================================
    /0/100/1f.2/0        /dev/sda    disk        160GB MAXTOR STM316081
    /0/100/1f.2/1        /dev/cdrom  disk        CD/DVDW SH-S183L
    /0/100/1f.2/2        /dev/sdb    disk        160GB MAXTOR STM316081
    /0/100/1f.2/3        /dev/sdc    disk        640GB WDC WD6400AACS-0
    /0/100/1f.2/0.0.0    /dev/sdd    disk        60GB SSD G2 series 64
    And you can label partitions with gparted when you create them, disk utility afterwards or using command line.
    fred@fred-Precise:~$ sudo blkid -o list
    Code:
    device     fs_type label    mount point    UUID
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    /dev/sda1  ntfs    WinXP    (not mounted)  04B05B70B05B6768
    /dev/sda2  ext3    backup   (not mounted)  13a684e4-2849-4566-9528-21cd07028a9a
    /dev/sda4  vfat    SHARE    /media/SHARE   46CD-C9B2
    /dev/sdb2  ext4    Maverick (not mounted)  0eea4e95-ea0a-4745-80d4-57bf2bbc9d69
    /dev/sdb3  swap             (not mounted)  00c4e383-cf30-4b54-9a9f-d46953e3966e
    /dev/sdb4  ext4    MavData  /media/MavData 431ba9e5-c72c-41c2-ba82-d8ee052336ff
    /dev/sdc1  ext3    grub     (not mounted)  9e16ad9c-c5f8-4b5a-b2b3-20dfc71a422f
    /dev/sdc2  ntfs    Shared   /mnt/shared    44332FD360AA9657
    /dev/sdc4  ext2    bios_gpt (not mounted)  bbda6045-bb8a-4666-8bd4-04b3945ca581
    /dev/sdc5  ext4    rr_test  (not mounted)  299894c6-5c2e-4df7-b3ac-ae1dae0ce5c6
    /dev/sdc6  ext3    Data     /mnt/data      a55e6335-616f-4b10-9923-e963559f2b05
    /dev/sdc7  ext4    xubuntu  (not mounted)  6314d8a8-060e-4c02-ad8c-3a2f70e2798b
    /dev/sdc8  ext4    Test     (not mounted)  af29c61a-34e9-48eb-9c94-afcb4bb61582
    /dev/sdc9  vfat    OLDG     (not mounted)  F6A6-705D
    /dev/sdc10 ext4    newhome  (not mounted)  b8a7e331-a716-4ac1-bf58-6ac515606c6d
    /dev/sdc11 swap             <swap>         09367687-86d1-4fd0-9b81-2787d3196159
    /dev/sdc12 ext4    Puppy    (not mounted)  07e2a08d-37ca-4cf1-877b-f02b0eabcbca
    /dev/sdc13 ext4    raring   (not mounted)  508cdeac-baed-4348-9d4f-0fbc315b5855
    /dev/sdc14 ext4    kubuntu  (not mounted)  29624e3d-5d9d-4dd9-9f32-2aae54089a5e
    /dev/sdc15 swap             <swap>         2c05178d-1e0e-4ae8-80e6-a700dc0d6eb9
    /dev/sdc16 ext4             (not mounted)  ed61920f-fa6a-45a2-bd7c-3ae5502beeb7
    /dev/sdc17 ext4    server   (not mounted)  63045773-e42a-46eb-9e96-b93428542527
    /dev/sdc18 ext4    pp_test  (not mounted)  117e0c31-7e16-4e8b-90b7-a3c688a34f26
    /dev/sdd1  vfat    EFI      (not mounted)  7B30-5ACA
    /dev/sdd3  ext4    Precise  /              adc013e9-a23d-4a36-849b-3faeac005667
    /dev/sdd4  ext4    Quantal  (not mounted)  94e634d0-39fb-4994-a685-8ee34747a240
    For more info on UEFI boot install & repair - Regularly Updated :
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    Just by way of clarification:

    aptitude and apt-get use many of the same processes behind the scenes and the differences between them have become fairly minor over the last few years. You might say that aptitude provides some extra functionality that apt-get does not, but unless you use it you'd never know.

    Both have been updated somewhat recently so that they use the same database of installed packages, so the old problem where you had to use one or the other exclusively to avoid one of them trying to install a dependency the other had already installed is mostly gone.

    apt-get uses upgrade and dist-upgrade, aptitude uses what are probably the more understandable commands safe-upgrade and full-upgrade. aptitude also performs some things like apt-cache and apt-mark, allows the why and why-not commands and does a better job of describing conflicts than apt-get.

    aptitude might be considered something half way between apt-get and a full-blown, feature-rich GUI package manager like synaptic. More features than the former, fewer than the latter.

    I use apt-get out of habit and Synaptic when I want some really high end features. I don't use Kubuntu's muon because in my experience it is a dog -- notice that I say "my experience", which means only that I haven't found it useful and effective. Others probably love it.

    Also...

    Drivers, particularly graphics drivers, are sometimes frustrating to deal with. You have to remember that in a Windows-dominated world OEMs spend most of their time making sure things go easily with Windows. That is a wise business decision. They can't spend the same amount of resources on Linux' 2% market share. Microsoft does not support XYZ's graphics, although that is a common misconception. Microsoft supports Microsoft. The OEMs work very hard to make absolutely sure their products work with Windows so that their drivers can be put in the Windows driver-base -- which makes them "plug and play". But this is important: OEMs do that, not Microsoft. OEMs have to earn the "works with Windows" label or they starve. It's a simple matter of survival.

    This doesn't make our lot in the Linux world any easier or the pain in the rear any less. It just is what it is. It's not that the Linux community hasn't bothered to make things work or to support XYZ's hardware. Remember the relationship: OEMs make their products work with OSes, not the other way around.

    Still, it is definitely frustrating and it's a very understandable reason why many people simply turn away from Linux. That is simply a matter of fact and does not reflect poorly on the efforts of Linux distributors.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    Thank you, all, for your comments. I am well aware of the history of the *nix operating systems having been working these silly boxes since the days of DOS. I am also aware of the OEM issues with development and the fact that volume labels are a, relatively, recent invention. I am currently burning a copy of AVLinux which, I hope, will fulfill my needs as a media server. I have shortlisted "mint" so will give that a try, if all else fails. I have not given up on Linux, per se, just Ubuntu, for now. My main "driver" complaint with Ubuntu is that I had a copy of 9.04 that worked "out of the box" on the same machine that I tried to install 12.x on. If the product worked back then, what has changed? Why? Yes, I know, newer hardware, etc.....(Rhetorical question) Thanks for your efforts people.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    Just a small history: nomodeset was added quite a while back to stop the kernel from automatically setting the video mode when that option was added to the kernel. This automatic mode setting (resolution and refresh rates) can result in combinations that the default video card (read "before drivers are installed") or the monitor or both can't display.

    Non-labeled tapes? Well........back in the "old" days there were also OS's which offered a "catalog" of media - things like disks where in the catalog so the administrator took care of the physical placement while the programming staff just referenced it through this "catalog". The same with tapes: If you have rotating sets of backup tapes, would you like to track them manually? Using this "catalog", tapes where prepared much like a disk drive and added to the catalog as part of a given set. Again, only the administrator needed to worry about this. The programmers, etc., referenced these sets either by actual set number or relative set number - no need to know the names of the tapes involved. Replacing a tape in a set was invivisible to everyone else. So, actually labeling a tape *did* make sense in some instances.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    Thanks for that info squakie. I've had limited success with AV linux, 'cept it would not load reliably at all when I tried to install it. In the end, it did nothing to the unusable version of Ubuntu that I had already tried. Currently I am attempting to install "Ultimate Linux". I actually got to see a splash screen before it displayed a pretty revolving arrow for the mouse cursor. Now that is all that I have. No Menus, No mouse button anythings!, even the keyboard will only change the shape of the arrow if I press <Ctrl><Alt><Esc> no other key combination seems to do anything. The DVD drive is still hunting, but this has been going on for about 1/2 an hour now. How can I install any version of Linux to a USB key from within Windoze as my Lappy is the only reliable machine that I have at the moment.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    Solved one problem, Found This when searching for Linux mint, was very quick and painless to create a Linux USB Key in Windoze, now to find a Linux that works with my system.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    Hi again.
    If we had more information about your system - CPU, RAM & the like - it may be easier to find something suitable for it.
    Just a thought.

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    There at least used to be another boot option along the line of nomodeset which may help. While it says 915, this used to work with several Intel chipsets:

    i915.modeset=0
    ---- or if that doesn't work ----
    i915.modeset=1

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    "I installed windows 3.1 and it would not update to windows 8, therefore I am mad!!"

    Seriously? you don't see what's wrong here?

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    Re: Ubuntu 12.04 RANT

    closed now you've joined just to rant

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