The One Button Installer is a shortcut for installing into old hardware with low RAM, where the ordinary installers have problems. Try it if you haven't done it yet
The One Button Installer is a shortcut for installing into old hardware with low RAM, where the ordinary installers have problems. Try it if you haven't done it yet
I'll give it a whirl later on .. but my point is .. for a noob ...we loose them right there. It's better to have a Lubuntu Live image on a 2GB pen drive. Works anywhere I mean .. for me .. it was very convincing , however, I haven't tried it on clients. I find it better to try and explain Ubuntu Linux through Lucid.
Thanks for the link!
Regards..
+1
The man who had done it just for fun and he wasn't so serious, he has mentioned a very important point, IMHO. Here is what he said. I'm sure Linus, if he really wants, he can do something about it but as far as I can tell, I don't think he cares that much but that is just a guess. Or, my guess could be totally wrong and he had already tried that but it might be too hard to achieve - this is a totally different story so I prefer not to go for that.
Basically, this campaign should not target Windows XP Users ONLY. However, as I have mentioned many times before, because and only because Windows XP support (AKA EOL) will come very soon (April 2014 - same month of releasing 14.04 LTS), the whole focus may seem towards Windows XPI think those are the people the campaign targets.
I hope this is clear enough. In fact, we have to focus on that and once we achieve what we are looking for, it would be easier then to approach others with Windows 7 and Windows 8.
IMHO, at that time, we don't really have to do anything I am sure Windows XP Users who migrated to Linux, will do that after they will see what Linux is capable of.
I have met, seen and talked to people with newer hardware which can support eve Windows 7 but they insist to use Windows XP. Those would be the hardest group of people to approach. They don't even update their system. How many are they? I have no idea. Yes, they most likely are using Cracked/illegal version of Windows XP.My question to amjjwad is that perhaps not too many people like that are still on XP unless they have pre vista hardware and some of which would be painful to run current versions of Ubuntu (Ram is part of it, but also unsupported graphic drivers and kernel dropping support for old hardware etc)
I am not saying we should convert each and everyone to Linux. This is just non-sense. This is not the mission of this campaign. The mission of this campaign is to reach to as many Windows XP Users (mainly) as possible and if successful, we would also approach others who are using Windows 7 or 8.
For me? I am not doing this for 99% success. If you ask me? I would be very glad and happy if we could achieve even 10%. Simply, because those 10% can convert others and so on. There are many types of users:
1- Users who haven't heard, seen nor tried Linux on their entire life at all.
2- Users who haven't install Linux despite the fact they have seen it. They just think it is too complicated for them.
3- Users who have tried and install Linux but still keeping Windows XP as a Dual-Boot (for example) for whatever reason
4- Users who don't care what system they have, they just want something to work and that is all.
IMHO, above are the main 4 categories of users that exist in the world.
What StartUbuntu is targeting?
#1 and #2 and #4
#3 they already have Linux so no need to waste time nor energy with them. They know what Linux is.
#4 most likely have less experience (in general) with Computers - why would someone still insist to run unsupported or old version while there are tons of other alternatives? unless he/she has less general knowledge of computers. And, if they do have the basic experience, they just refuse to switch or even upgrade for whatever reason they have in mind. Those category is the toughest. That is why, if there is a failure ratio in StartUbuntu campaign, it might be because of this category.
#1 and #2 are easy target IMHO (easy to convert but we may need extra efforts, especially for #1).
#2 are the easiest group to be converted. They just need to make sure someone will take them under their wings and that is all. Most of them are scared from Terminal, etc.
Exactly, and there are many just like your brotherI have made some recommendations for friends etc, but I don't target specially Windows XP users (I have had some success in switching people from Vista to Lubuntu, but I don't really know anyone still on XP, except my brother, but he uses it for very special reasons, and a few people with hardware so old that I wouldn't even bother).
How old these machines are???
I won't even bother with those people. They have money and they are ready to buy anything just because their friends got that very expensive device so they want to do the same. How did I know? I have seen so many with my very eyes. So, StartUbuntu should not really bother with them. Even though it is not bad idea but we are simply not going to knock on each and every door, we are spreading the word and whoever will see that on the internet or real life, he/she is more than welcome to joinIt is actually easier than you think to get people off Windows, many have $ would easily switch to Mac even though they don't use it for anything special.
Yes and No.The problem with Linux is that they have to install it themselves or someone (like me) would have to install it for them, and it is not always easy to find people who know how to support Linux in their vicinity, so, if they can't afford a Mac they would just upgrade Windows or buy a new Windows machine.
I have indeed took that into consideration but you have missed a very important point. We are in 2013 and now in 1994. I mean, the internet is FULL of HOWTOs, Guides, YouTubes, etc. It is very easy to find so many resources which can help you even if you haven't seen Linux before. Well, if they are too lazy to even google, then this is their problem as no one will come and feed them they need to feed themselves. We will show them the way, the rest is up to them and we are ready to help as much as we can.
And, those who can't afford a Mac and might just upgrade Windows, are possibly the same people who might go for Linux for the exact same reason!
Thank you!
This is a different story if you ask me.
StartUbuntu is focusing on Users not Companies at this stage.
Companies, usually, they do know exactly what they want and what they need to do. No company in this world that want to spend so much money unless they really have to.
I will leave converting companies to Canonical
Let's worry about the users first.
However, there are many companies are migrating. I have two friends and both confirmed to me that their different companies have migrated to Kubuntu. What I am trying to say here is, business wise and companies, they do know about Linux in most cases
I am not going to repeat what I have already posted but just few points:
1- This is a community campaign not Canonical one.
2- This is not only about Ubuntu, we are talking about 8 alternatives (Ubuntu and all its official flavours - depends on what the user needs).
3- StartUbuntu is not looking for 100% success. If 1 out of 1000 users will be converted and migrated to Linux, this is a huge success. Spreading the word of Linux deserves more and more IMHO.
Anyway, I am aware of what you have mentioned for old people, etc.
Thanks for sharing and let's see what will happen from now until April, 2014
That is certainly a possibility too. Would you prefer a regular live desktop install iso image, a 'persistent live' or an 'installed system'? If you mean 'installed system' there is one for a 4GB pendrive here, that you can flash directly without any installer -- flash in the same way as you flash the system for a mobile phone! But it is not as flexible as the OBI, that uses the whole device (HDD, SSD, USB pendrive, flash memory).
The regular live desktop install iso image is best with a cheap and slow USB pendrive because it uses ramdisk (at least when there is a reasonable amount of RAM). See this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...#Prerequisites
But that question to ventrical is asking what kind of live image he wants to use to convince people about the advantages of linux.
I know that he knows enough to make his own systems.It's better to have a Lubuntu Live image on a 2GB pen drive. Works anywhere I mean .. for me .. it was very convincing
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What about you amjjawad? Have you considered some kind of demo system? What should be offered to the Windows XP user, and how should it be presented?
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Well this is a main point. Windows (and Mac) users by and large do expect to be spoon fed,--or better you chew and eat for them,--they don't want to have to do things themselves by reading Howtos and guides etc. Many people are just intimidated by technical stuffs, they want to be able to use a computer and then forget about it. I know countless such people (in fact most computer users I know fall into this category) I have a friend who just got a well paid job on some tech support desk which serves customers over the phone, he says all he does is sitting on his a$$ all day googling and then speak to his clients in an authoritative voice as if he is an expert.
My point was simply that many people did not "choose" Windows, there is no brand loyalty to MicroSoft for many average users, that was responding to aysiu that people choose to stay with Windows, most time there is no choice involved, many would choose a Mac if they could afford it (or even Linux if tech support is available.)I won't even bother with those people. They have money and they are ready to buy anything just because their friends got that very expensive device so they want to do the same. How did I know? I have seen so many with my very eyes. So, StartUbuntu should not really bother with them. Even though it is not bad idea but we are simply not going to knock on each and every door, we are spreading the word and whoever will see that on the internet or real life, he/she is more than welcome to join
He has some very old finger print reading software which he had paid a lot for and had gone out of business for almost as long as Ubuntu has been around. It runs only on XP (not even Winodws 7 compat mode, not sure about vbox). There may be a Linux equivalent but I don't know these kind of software, he googled and found some tarball (also very old) which he thought would be similar, but I couldn't get it to compile because it requires very old libraries that are no longer supported (except maybe on Centos or something like that). His computer is very new and powerful though, I have booted Ubuntu 12.04 off an external drive and holy smoke, it is lighting fast. So hardware no problem, he just doesn't want to switch. It is a new machine but his desktop and wall paper looks like 1980.Exactly, and there are many just like your brother
How old these machines are???
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