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    Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    Sure it's a drastic departure from gnome2 but as a standalone product it seems pretty good. If you are a heavy keyboard or a heavy mouse user you can do anything both ways for the most part. Also the firefox like method of customizing is pretty cool. So why all the hate on it?
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    I don't know, I can't stand it personally, I probably haven't given it much of a chance, I'm perfectly happy in Unity land.
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    I don't hate it. I like it better than gnome2. I use Unity in Ubuntu but Gnome Shell in Fedora.

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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by haqking View Post
    People need to moan, whine, hate, argue, debate and generally be idiotic, IT and Open Source helps gather them all up together
    You say that like it's a bad thing. It sounds like a good time to me
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    I'm really enjoying my time in Gnome Shell but find I prefer a limited number of extensions -
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    Even more than Windows users, Linux users seem to get really indignant when anything changes. Especially things that have been around for a long time.

    When Ubuntu changed the window buttons to the left side and the colour scheme to purple and orange... oh, it was enough to make people threaten to move to a different distro. For a freakin' colour scheme and a position change of a few buttons. I went through more change when I moved from a Macintosh to a PC.

    Pulseaudio was buggy when first introduced to Ubuntu, but quickly matured to be a solid piece of desktop infrastructure. But you take a look in the Multimedia forum here and you'll still find people advising you remove Pulseaudio for any audio-related ailment.

    In some circles, there's still hate toward KDE for bringing out KDE 4. Sure, its initial releases were unashamedly for early adopters only, but the fact that it was different seemed to be a big reason for loathing.

    Unity and Gnome 3 have been victims of this too. Unity is good now. Gnome Shell was never bad and is more impressive than initially. But a lot of people are taking these changes almost as a personal insult.

    You can't even change a system recovery keyboard combination without a lot of boo'ing and hissing, as witnessed when the X developers changed Control-Alt-Backspace to Alt-Printscreen-K. The latter does exactly the same thing, but works quicker and more reliably - and still people complain about "Ubuntu changes things for the sake of change". It makes me sick.

    There's even people complaining about Wayland eventually replacing the X server. The software has not even come out yet and won't necessarily cause any changes in the user experience (except that things will work more reliably, faster and with support for more features of today's laptops), and there's still grumbling over "change for the sake of change".

    I thought people would hate Windows 8 because of the change, but in fact Windows users seem fairly accepting of it. They can install a Start Menu replacement and there's a hack to boot straight to the desktop, and they're generally happy despite losing lots of functionality in their programs and having to tolerate the ugly flat colours of Metro.

    It's just something about Linux users that makes them resistant to change.
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    I tried both out... and while I probably could get used to gnome shell.... I found myself right at home in Unity.... liked it even in 11.04 tbh, and now that I am using 12.10.... I like it even better

    I install ccsm to make a few changes such as making the icons smaller, but by and large I like the default experience, I used to make it so that the launcher never hid.... but now not hiding is the default
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    I'm with 3rdalbum. Change, and actually actively seeking it, was a massive part of me going Linux in the first place. I was never going to be the sort of person who wanted or expected it to sit still and not evolve. And I'm glad it hasn't. I certainly wouldn't have wanted it to get stuck on the Gnome 2 way of things. The thought gives me the shivers.

    My problem is I love all the new DE's and cannot settle on one for very long. I'm currently on KDE (Kubuntu 12.10) though on my desktop and I'm really enjoying it. It's given me pause enough to realise that it's probably the best Linux desktop DE there is, and I don't need anything else.

    That probably won't stop me installing Cinnamon, Gnome Shell, or Unity at some point in the future though.
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    I like gnome-shell, its minimalistic and stays out of your way and looks nice too (although I much prefer unity myself). For the most part I think both gnome-shell and unity are much better than gnome 2. Gnome 2 left a LOT to be desired, its interface was extremely basic. I didn't even consider gnome 2 usable for me without ubuntu's ayatana stuff, a dock, gnome-do, and other customizations. With unity I feel at home out of the box.

    The only thing I really hate about gnome right now is gnome-online-accounts, gnome-contacts, and empathy, because they are so ridiculously buggy. It all sounds great in theory, if only it worked well. One of the reasons I like unity is because pidgin integrates well with it (with gnome-shell there's only a few buggy extensions), so I can bypass that buggy garbage. Empathy's gnome-shell integration is very nice, too bad the core functionalty is so buggy, always randomly disconnecting accounts, and often can't reconnect properly after resume from suspend. Ubuntu-online-accounts is just as bad, accounts randomly decide they "need authorization" again and I have to totally remove and re-add the account to fix it. I have none of these problems with pidgin./rant
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    Re: Why all the Gnome Shell Hate?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdalbum View Post
    Even more than Windows users, Linux users seem to get really indignant when anything changes. Especially things that have been around for a long time.

    When Ubuntu changed the window buttons to the left side and the colour scheme to purple and orange... oh, it was enough to make people threaten to move to a different distro. For a freakin' colour scheme and a position change of a few buttons. I went through more change when I moved from a Macintosh to a PC.

    Pulseaudio was buggy when first introduced to Ubuntu, but quickly matured to be a solid piece of desktop infrastructure. But you take a look in the Multimedia forum here and you'll still find people advising you remove Pulseaudio for any audio-related ailment.

    In some circles, there's still hate toward KDE for bringing out KDE 4. Sure, its initial releases were unashamedly for early adopters only, but the fact that it was different seemed to be a big reason for loathing.

    Unity and Gnome 3 have been victims of this too. Unity is good now. Gnome Shell was never bad and is more impressive than initially. But a lot of people are taking these changes almost as a personal insult.

    You can't even change a system recovery keyboard combination without a lot of boo'ing and hissing, as witnessed when the X developers changed Control-Alt-Backspace to Alt-Printscreen-K. The latter does exactly the same thing, but works quicker and more reliably - and still people complain about "Ubuntu changes things for the sake of change". It makes me sick.

    There's even people complaining about Wayland eventually replacing the X server. The software has not even come out yet and won't necessarily cause any changes in the user experience (except that things will work more reliably, faster and with support for more features of today's laptops), and there's still grumbling over "change for the sake of change".

    I thought people would hate Windows 8 because of the change, but in fact Windows users seem fairly accepting of it. They can install a Start Menu replacement and there's a hack to boot straight to the desktop, and they're generally happy despite losing lots of functionality in their programs and having to tolerate the ugly flat colours of Metro.

    It's just something about Linux users that makes them resistant to change.
    Nice rant, agreed 110% Added to that are people still moaning about grub2.

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