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    What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    I ask cause there are a few projects that i am aware of that seem to be staying with GTK2 and no plans to move onto GTK3. Is this something that will affect them in future? The main project in mind is Ardour. My understanding is that the main developer doesn't see the point in moving to GTK3 cause there aren't enough benefits. Is he right and if they stick with GTK2, are there problems down the road they might encounter in time?

    I know XFCE have some plans about moving to GTK3 at some stage but what about LXDE? Would it hold the project back to stick with GTK2? Any thoughts? Or any other examples of projects that don't seem to have plans to move onto GTK3? Also, did similar happen with the move from GTK1 to GTK2?

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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    well... sooner or later the old versions of those libraries will have their support ceased... since it's open source someone else would be able to take care- but i somehow doubt so.
    i'd not get too familiar with apps using gtk2 - they will be, at some point, either ported to gtk3 or, in time, became less and less useful... and after gtk2 will be ruled out of standard repositories, their installation will be even harder.
    And how many apps written in gtk1 can you see now ?

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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohneG View Post
    The main project in mind is Ardour. My understanding is that the main developer doesn't see the point in moving to GTK3 cause there aren't enough benefits.
    In the short term that will be fine, but eventually it will become more of a hassle to cling to GTK2 and they'll be forced to change.

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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    What about MATE?
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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Mate seems to have an active community and that will keep gtk2 around for a while. I suppose older applications could be compiled statically to have gtk2 libraries built-in and remove external dependencies, but then how they behave in newer Desktop Environments will be an issue. I've seen older Motif applications run fine in Mate, they look ugly, but they work.

    Each package maintainer will have to look at the code and the agony units involved in rewriting applications to go from gtk2 to gtk3 or QT4 or Adobe Air whatever. Frameworks seem to be constantly changing.
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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Apparantly Fuduntu is to be wound down due to gtk2 issues.

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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonor View Post
    Apparantly Fuduntu is to be wound down due to gtk2 issues.
    This also played a part: "the move of the Linux world to systemd has caused a problem for Fuduntu as it has become a required thing for many programs, but we do not use it. " from the official blog here: http://www.fuduntu.org/blog/2013/04/...april-14-2013/
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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by szymon_g View Post
    well... sooner or later the old versions of those libraries will have their support ceased... since it's open source someone else would be able to take care- but i somehow doubt so.
    i'd not get too familiar with apps using gtk2 - they will be, at some point, either ported to gtk3 or, in time, became less and less useful... and after gtk2 will be ruled out of standard repositories, their installation will be even harder.
    And how many apps written in gtk1 can you see now ?
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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Adapt or die...

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    Re: What will become of GTK2 and any projects that choose to stay with it?

    Gtk2 will be around in most distributions for a few more years, just like Gtk1 did after Gtk2 was released. But eventually distributions will stop shipping Gtk2 and the remaining projects still using Gtk2 will die.
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