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    Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    Hello everyone and thank you for your time, I'm a father of 4 adolescent boys with raging hormones, if they're not watching porn, they're hacking or cracking or doing something immoral, we only have one computer in the house and it's CHOCK full of viruses, Trojans, key-loggers you name it, last year I just gave up trying to scan and clean HUNDREDS of malware daily.

    Now my question is, I sometimes need to do some emergency online banking on this computer and I shudder just thinking about the safety factor. I've read some things about a version of LINUX called LPS that I can install on a flash drive, install Firefox on it and use that to boot my PC and do banking safely.

    I'm not very experienced and have never used or seen any other OS apart from windows, but a quick learner, all I want in order not to get confused with information overload is just a link or two to get started in the right direction,

    What OS should I use?
    What Browser should I use?
    Should Any firewall or AV be installed on the USB?
    Will LastPass work on a USB with Linux?

    Any advise highly appreciated.

    Bobak.

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    Here's the link to the LPS I was introduced to...
    http://www.spi.dod.mil/lipose.htm

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    fatboy123,

    Welcome to the UbuntuForums!! Your thread is moved to "Security Discussions" subforum.

    Ubuntu or Linux in general, is considered more secure than the windows environment.

    The below community wiki page can answer most of your queries.

    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicSecurity

    cheers!!
    Last edited by codemaniac; April 30th, 2013 at 11:03 AM.
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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    You can use any Live Linux CD from Ubuntu, Fedora, Mageia, Suse, Knoppix... and just use it.

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy123 View Post
    What OS should I use?
    As others have suggested, any live CD should work just fine. However, as this is an Ubuntu forum the suggestions you get are likely going to be skewed in its favor. I believe that beginning with Ubuntu 13.04 there is no longer any live CD. You can either burn a bootable DVD or boot from a USB key. Here is some further info. See the links on the right side of the page for additional information about creating bootable media:

    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/deskt...re-you-install

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy123 View Post
    What Browser should I use?
    Ubuntu comes with Firefox pre-loaded. That should be sufficient but feel free to install something else if you want (Chrome, Opera, ...).

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy123 View Post
    Should Any firewall or AV be installed on the USB?
    It's not really necessary. You can if you wish but if you're booting off live media then it's separate and a "clean slate" each time you boot it up. One neat thing to consider is that you can install AV (such as clam AV) and then mount your Windows partition and scan it. In this way you can actually scan the Windows partition while running Linux. Neat huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy123 View Post
    Will LastPass work on a USB with Linux?
    Yes. Another good option is a program called KeePassX. You can install it by launching a terminal (easiest way is to press CTRL+ALT+T) and then enter this command:

    Code:
    sudo apt-get install keepassx
    It has dependencies on the Qt framework which it should pull in automatically. If not and it fails stating that it depends on something else, you should be able to get it to install by following it up with this:

    Code:
    sudo apt-get install -f
    If all else fails, use fire.

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    Wow thank you so much for answering all my questions.

    I will follow these steps tomorrow and make my own USB ...
    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/deskt...ick-on-windows

    A few more questions if you don't mind:

    1- The above link is better for me then the LPS mentioned before? or it makes no difference?
    2- So after that I can just boot from that stick using my infected PC and I'll be safe within that USB environment?
    3- If I install LastPass and update a password field, will it get saved?
    4- If I download something, will it save on the flash itself?
    5- Can I use this flash on any hotel, Internet cafe or other unsafe computers?

    Thank you so much again.

    Bobak.

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    1. Ubuntu will probably be easier to use than LPS
    2. Yes (But avoid running software from untrusted sources)
    3 and 4. Only if you create a persistence file on the USB
    5. Yes

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    Bobak,
    Just saw this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139675 and thought it might help you with creating a system on a usb stick.

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    Thank you all so much again, I've spent two days now reading your links and getting to grips with Ubuntu (it's not easy when you're old and senile

    I installed LPS onto another flash just to test it out, it loads fast on to the desktop but it's not for me as it doesn't remember any settings.

    Regarding Ubuntu 13.04, I created a LiveUSB with 1GB persistence, I have another list of questions which I hope will not anger people, I did do a lot of searching and couldn't find answers to them:



    1- How do I bypass “Try it / Install” screen when booting from USB Live Session? (without installing in the USB), I read somewhere that You can remove ubiquity package but I have no idea how to do that. Google didn't have any answers either.

    2- There is a lot of lag, hesitation and some freezing happening, takes a long time to boot too, is this normal or depending on the type of flash stick I'm using (SanDisk Cruzer micro 2GB)

    3- I have no ability to right click on the desktop or save something on it, but when I open the file manager and then desktop, I do see files on it. (But not on the actual desktop) is this the normal behavior?

    4- When I connect my USB in windows, where do I find my DOCUMENTS folder on the USB so that I can transfer some of my files into it?

    5- There is no Log In or password when starting Ubuntu, is this safe? or should I enable log in?

    6- Should I enable some other safety feature manually? like firewall or some other important feature which is off by default?

    7- I have a docx file inside a 7zip archive which I store all my sensitive information, I can open this directly from within 7zip in windows but could not do that in Ubuntu, I had to first extract it, which is okay but then how do I PERMANENTLY and safely delete that docx file?



    I apologize again for wasting your times with all these newbie questions, I assure you that I'm almost there in licking this thing

    Bobak.

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    Re: Doing Banking on a PC INFESTED with viruses, Trojans and key-loggers....

    1. I wouldn't mess with this
    2. Live environments are always slow, using a USB 3 device and port may improve things.
    3. You should be able to save the desktop (I just tested in a VM)
    4. Windows can't access the contents of the persistence file, files added to the USB by Windows will be accessible as read only in /cdrom
    5. If only you have access to the drive you should be fine without a password
    6. Unless you are running a server there is no need for a firewall
    7. The only way to be sure is to zero out the persistence file to start from a fresh image

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