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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by monkeybrain2012 View Post
    Don't think so, as it is a dead DE, with no future, just like kde3.
    Software isn't dead until it stops wotking, and that doesn't happen often. If MATE successfully ports to gtk3, it will be used for a long time, whether or not it is actively developed.

    Remember that all DE's are essentially the same: You click on something and something happens. Whether you click on something in a menu, or a panel, or a dock, or whatever, is down to style and personal preference. From a vendor point of view, they're primarily branding tools.
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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by monkeybrain2012 View Post
    Don't think so, as it is a dead DE, with no future, just like kde3.
    Quote Originally Posted by goldshirt9 View Post
    just install mate desktop, best of both worlds
    It leaves a whole lot of unused dependencies and even if I remove unity, there will still be unused useless dependencies

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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by operatingsystem121 View Post
    It leaves a whole lot of unused dependencies and even if I remove unity, there will still be unused useless dependencies
    You could do a minimal ubuntu install: http://blog.lifebloodnetworks.com/?p=1280

    If you want MATE out of the box I'd recommend linux mint. the upcoming mint 15 should have a mate edition with mate 1.6 out of the box.
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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by carl4926 View Post
    You know Mint do a Mate? It's basically Ubuntu under the hood
    Weren't they supposed to be avoiding Ubuntu ( = based directly on Debian) by now?

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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasa1 View Post
    Weren't they supposed to be avoiding Ubuntu ( = based directly on Debian) by now?
    I don't recall that except in the case of LMDE
    Everything else seems to be in tune with the Ubuntu releases and you can use Ubuntu PPA's
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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    The Fuduntu project just shut-down because of problems keeping a Gnome2 based distro going as everything is updated to Gnome3, can Mate be far behind?

    As I suggested when the Mate project first started, they should have put their efforts into improving the Gnome3 panel, instead of trying to keep obsolete technology going, now it looks like they may have to do that anyway.
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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by cariboo907 View Post
    The Fuduntu project just shut-down because of problems keeping a Gnome2 based distro going as everything is updated to Gnome3, can Mate be far behind?

    As I suggested when the Mate project first started, they should have put their efforts into improving the Gnome3 panel, instead of trying to keep obsolete technology going, now it looks like they may have to do that anyway.

    The Fuduntu team's distaste for systemd had a great deal to do with their decision.

    If, by suggesting MATE should merely have worked at "improving" the Gnome 3 panel you mean that the Gnome team would have given them carte blanche to do as they please, then you misunderstand Gnome's design objectives. The Gnome Shell panel looks and behaves as it does because the Gnome Shell designers and developers want it to look and behave that way, not because they lack the resources to roll out a Gnome Shell version of a Gnome 2 panel. That is precisely what they do not want to do.

    The decision to keep the Gnome 2 design approach alive via MATE was, and is, a rational decision. As long as you can click on icons and launch applications with it, MATE will be not be "obsolete" (a serious misnomer, in any case). Lots of people use tools like Fluxbox and WindowMaker to do all the things that they might do with KDE or Gnome Shell or Unity. To argue that the former are obsolete while the latter are not is to believe the hype that, say, clicking on an icon in Unity's launcher is somehow more advanced than clicking on a icon in WindowMaker or clicking on a menu item in FVWM.

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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Forgive my ignorance, I'm just asking for clarification.

    What does the Fuduntu team's dislike of systemd have to do with MATE? And why did they not like systemd in the first place? I know Canonical were the creators of upstart, however I see the rest of the world switching to systemd (away from init scripts) rather than upstart. I don't remember the link I saw comparting SystemV scripts vs upstart vs systemd, however the chart implied systemd was far more advanced than upstart. Wasn't there some beef between Shuttleworth or the Ubuntu team and the creator of systemd (forgot his name but he works for red hat)?

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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by buzzingrobot View Post
    The Fuduntu team's distaste for systemd had a great deal to do with their decision.
    First: Where do you pick up that they have a "distaste" towards systemd?
    Second: What *exactly* does this have to do with it?

    Init is still working fine.
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    Re: Any chance of a Ubuntu MATE remix coming out?

    Quote Originally Posted by cariboo907 View Post
    As I suggested when the Mate project first started, they should have put their efforts into improving the Gnome3 panel, instead of trying to keep obsolete technology going, now it looks like they may have to do that anyway.
    Obsolete for you doesn't mean obsolete for everyone. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Gnome 3 is garbage. And it's not getting any better.

    MATE is definitely the way to go right now for everyone who need a sane, productivity oriented Linux GUI (with Xfce being the plan B).
    Last edited by prodigy_; April 28th, 2013 at 05:50 PM.

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