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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    another benefit of command line is it will automaticly throw out any error messages that can be used for troubleshooting.

    besides marking text and then clicking middle button in temrinal is two or 3 clicks. enter then runs the commands and all is done.

    a good basic resource on how things are done in linux can be Ubuntu manual.
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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    I usually try to give GUI instructions, actually. But I know a lot of people give command-line answers.

    I find the biggest problems are when people give instructions using outdated information, and when people don't read the first post properly before responding and end off misleading the poster.

    Another problem is when people forget that new users are new! Telling someone to open /etc/apt/sources.list and make some manual edits is fine when you're talking to an old hand, but terrible when talking to a newb; firstly it gives them the erroneous impression that you need the terminal to install software, and secondly they are quite likely to mistype into their sources.list and break their package manager. Why tell a new user to manually edit sources.list, when the GUI is available and has safety features to prevent most kinds of package manager breakage?
    I try to treat the cause, not the symptom. I avoid the terminal in instructions, unless it's easier or necessary. My instructions will work within the Ubuntu system, instead of breaking or subverting it. Those are the three guarantees to the helpee.

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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rdalbum View Post
    Why tell a new user to manually edit sources.list, when the GUI is available and has safety features to prevent most kinds of package manager breakage?
    That's a fine point, but you have to realize that some of us "old hands" haven't bothered with these GUIs in *years*. We don't even have some of them installed on our systems. I see someone posting with a problem, chances are I know how to fix it; but I don't know the "newbie-safe" method of fixing it. I have the knowledge I have, and I can offer only that. If involving config files or the terminal makes it unacceptable to someone, they're free to ignore it I guess.

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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    Quote Originally Posted by lykwydchykyn View Post
    That's a fine point, but you have to realize that some of us "old hands" haven't bothered with these GUIs in *years*. We don't even have some of them installed on our systems.
    That's why I stay out of General Help. I usually just lurk in the security or server areas.

    Of course, with that being said, I'm not running a GUI, so I don't really know what instructions someone would need to do a task via the gui, unless it's hitting ctrl + alt + t...
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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    Quote Originally Posted by cariboo907 View Post
    The one main difference is not having to download and install programs from random web sites, almost everything you need is available via the Software Centre, some of the packages may be a bit dated, but updated version are almost always available via ppa's (personal package archives) on Launchpad.

    This is seriously awesome. I reinstalled Ubuntu about 3 times, including installing an newer version, and it's astounding how quick the procedure is.
    I just have to launch an automated installation script, and in 15 minutes, all my softwares are installed!

    Even better, all the configuration of the softwares are stored on my Home partition, so I don't have to loose hours reconfiguring all my softwares. It's also amazing that even the Desktop configuration are saved to Home, such as Keyboard shortcuts, startup applications, etc.

    I found it great, when I was still a begginner on Ubuntu 11.04, when I was asking for help here. I only needed to copy and paste a command (Back then, I admit, I didn't knew much of what I was pasting. XD), copy the output, and post it here. Quicker.

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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesA View Post
    That's why I stay out of General Help. I usually just lurk in the security or server areas.
    Same here. Don't you think it's a tad tragic, though, that there are people not getting answers because users like us have been discouraged from sharing our knowledge? Not that I don't sleep at night...

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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    As a windows user, I too am reluctant to use the command line, and it's been ages since I even used dos. So I'm just not comfortable doing it. Since converting to liunx I am interested in leaning the command line. However, that will be for a much later time. That may seem, to a linux user, strange, or a fixed mind set, but there it is.

    So I always prefer the 1-2 click method to the command line method. However, as pureliane said it is difficult to find 1-2 click explanations. So I've been messing around on my distro, to see how everything works, from the 1-2 click point of view. And up till now I've found lots of pathways. However, It would be great to have a ubuntu for idiots or a gnome for idiots, which concentrated on using the mouse to execute commands. Then at least you could set up your linux distro, use it, become comfortable with it and then learn the command line. As it is most help is explained using the command line, which is believe it or not very intimidating
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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    Quote Originally Posted by cariboo907 View Post
    The biggest problem is mindset, Windows users are used to doing things a certain way, that may just not work when using a Linux distribution. As easy as using Ubuntu and it's derivatives have come to be, there is still a bit of a learning curve, as we do things differently.

    The one main difference is not having to download and install programs from random web sites, almost everything you need is available via the Software Centre, some of the packages may be a bit dated, but updated version are almost always available via ppa's (personal package archives) on Launchpad.

    The above paragraph may seem to you to be just techno-babble, but as you learn to use Ubuntu, you will find that things are much easier to do than the equivalent in Windows.

    Disclaimer I stopped supporting Windows systems about a year ago, and have probably forgotten more than most people have ever learned about Windows.
    Agreed. The only package I ever install outside of the repos or with a PPA is google-chrome.
    Which is funny, because I can even install Microsoft's skype through the repos.
    Maybe someday, Google will become a canonical partner and installing chrome via the software center will become the norm.
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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    I recently started a new job in an (ugh) Windows-only organization. We use the Windows command line all the time. GUI vs. CLI is not a Windows vs. Linux debate, but rather simply a preference of work-style.

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    Re: Feedback from a windows user

    Quote Originally Posted by snowpine View Post
    I recently started a new job in an (ugh) Windows-only organization. We use the Windows command line all the time. GUI vs. CLI is not a Windows vs. Linux debate, but rather simply a preference of work-style.
    Ugh command line in windows is terrible compared to linux.
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