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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simian Man View Post
    Sysadmins can't do quite anything, they can't read other people's passwords for example. Though the sheer fact that sysadmins exist makes them more powerful than gods if you ask me .
    I thought that the sys admin would know the folder where the password is stored and the method used to obfusticate the password if it is not held in plain text. With this knowledge he would therefor be able to read the password.

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    Gods seldom find themselves out of work if stuff hits the fan. Priests tell the supplicants that such things happen because they, themselves, brought down wrath with their own evil doing.

    I've never seen a god in the unemployment office.
    I was amazed when I heard about sys admins being out of work, especially when the dot com bubble burst. But even today I am quite amazed. You require such high competence to do the job that very few people would ever be able to do it. There would always be a massive demand for such people, as they are required in every organization. Surely, demand must vastly outstrip supply!

    To put a figure on it, bearing in mind the shortage of people I think there should be and the qualifications and study required, I would expect starting salaries to be about $200,000 a year.
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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeehi View Post
    I thought that the sys admin would know the folder where the password is stored and the method used to obfusticate the password if it is not held in plain text. With this knowledge he would therefor be able to read the password.
    Nope. They can reset passwords, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by yeehi View Post
    I was amazed when I heard about sys admins being out of work, especially when the dot com bubble burst. But even today I am quite amazed. You require such high competence to do the job that very few people would ever be able to do it. There would always be a massive demand for such people, as they are required in every organization. Surely, demand must vastly outstrip supply!
    Nope. It is a thankless job and not many want to deal with the stress that comes with it.

    To put a figure on it, bearing in mind the shortage of people I think there should be and the qualifications and study required, I would expect starting salaries to be about $200,000 a year.
    Good luck finding a good job that pays that much. Think DoD or Government/Fortune 500 companies. Even the (small) company I work for isn't paying their "IT manager" anywhere close to that. I don't know the exactly figure, but I would doubt it is even close to 50K/year and he works his butt off.
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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeehi View Post
    $200,000 a year
    I think you might be confusing sysadmins with another occupation...

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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesA View Post
    I don't know the exactly figure, but I would doubt it is even close to 50K/year and he works his butt off.
    I am amazed that sys admins could be paid so little. They had to work very hard to get the knowledge to do their job, and, surely, few people want to spend their time gaining such detailed, technical know-how.

    Have a look at this article on Surprisingly Low Paid Jobs.

    Sys Admins aren't mentioned, per se but Computer Support Specialists are:

    Mean annual income: $49,930
    Bottom 10% make $28,300
    Total employed: 579,270
    Surely a sys admin would earn more than a computer support specialist.
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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeehi View Post
    I am amazed that sys admins could be paid so little. They had to work very hard to get the knowledge to do their job, and, surely, few people want to spend their time gaining such detailed, technical know-how.

    Have a look at this article on Surprisingly Low Paid Jobs.

    Sys Admins aren't mentioned, per se but Computer Support Specialists are:



    Surely a sys admin would earn more than a computer support specialist.
    Well, you also have to remember that a lot of businesses view IT as a "cost center" rather than a necessity to compete in the 21st Century.

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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by yeehi View Post
    I am amazed that sys admins could be paid so little. They had to work very hard to get the knowledge to do their job, and, surely, few people want to spend their time gaining such detailed, technical know-how.

    Have a look at this article on Surprisingly Low Paid Jobs.
    I believe it. Companies can also get away with "undercutting" how much they pay you by giving you a different job title. Someone working as a level 1 help desk tech makes less than a tech support specialist, even if they have the same responsibilities. Go figure.

    Quote Originally Posted by angryfirelord View Post
    Well, you also have to remember that a lot of businesses view IT as a "cost center" rather than a necessity to compete in the 21st Century.
    Indeed. I've seen it happen at the place I work - only recently have they started upgrading their infrastructure, most of the stuff they used previously has been 10-15 years old with the best machine being a Pentium 4 running Win 2K3.
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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    I think someone has a crush on System Administrators

    $200,000 per annum is an IT Director salary (only for a large, wealthy and prestigious company however) or company Directory even.

    A sys admin is typically a bumbling nutjob with a neckbeard and little social skills with a deportment which needs a serious makeover, or if they are not then they lied on their CV and bluff their way through their job with the aid of Google.

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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by haqking View Post
    $200,000 per annum is an IT Director salary (only for a large, wealthy and prestigious company however) or company Directory even.
    I reckon you could get that salary as a high level technical network support individual (Cisco, Juniper, Alcatel, Siemens etc) but your job would not entail day to day slog, more design and the end of the line when it comes to trouble shooting. So you don't have to be in a management position to earn that salary. It would be at the top end of the salary scale for that job though.

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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by mips View Post
    I reckon you could get that salary as a high level technical network support individual (Cisco, Juniper, Alcatel, Siemens etc) but your job would not entail day to day slog, more design and the end of the line when it comes to trouble shooting. So you don't have to be in a management position to earn that salary. It would be at the top end of the salary scale for that job though.
    Of course, In 2006 I earnt £163K from contracting.

    I was just giving an idea, i seriously doubt there are any sys admins anwyhere earning 200k
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    Re: Sys Admins are kind of like gods, aren't they?

    On another, completely unrelated topic, SysAdmin Day is July 27th.
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