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    How to make chain of instruments

    Hallo everybody, and sorry for my english.
    I play keyboard in a group. Ours songs are a bit complicated and I have to use nearly 10 instrument in each song.
    I usualy play with soundfonts and vst.
    I'm tring Lmms and is very nice but I need to create a song with 10 traks with the instruments needed and than switch throug them while I'm plaing ... and it seems impossible.
    Does anyone know how to do it or tell me another software to do the same.
    Thanks to all

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    How do you play? Do you use midi contoler?
    Why not separate instruments by midi channels, and then on controler change the channel while playing?

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    Thank you for the answer, yes you are right ... it's possible to tell lmms : track 1 - midi ch1 track 2 midi ch 2... on my master keyboard i'll set user bank memory to do the same it's ok ... but.
    Is a bit unconfortable maybe impossible to make this kind of operation while we are composing and i have to add an instrument to the song.
    For example I've made a song with 5 intrument ... and i'm playing it with my friend ... the guitarrist say to me ... in the third part ... try to use a violin.... great, I have to add a track give the midi ch 3 and reopen all the instrument after to change the midi ch ... the third to the fourth 4 to 5 an5 to 6 ... it take a time.... so I'm searching another solution to do the same.
    Faster
    For example with fruity loop all tracks are midi omni but you hear only the selected track, when you send prg up yoa change the selected track .... if you want to add an instrument you have only to add a track in the right place to do the trick ... but i dont want to use wine and a cracked FL
    Last edited by mmoraschi; January 2nd, 2012 at 01:20 AM.

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    Don't know if this will work for you but it may be worth looking into.

    genpo (in the repos) is a general pipe organ stop control program. It allows you to connect a controller channel to up to 32 different synth voices. One click voice change. It is setup using xml files. Install includes several sample files including a GM file in /usr/share/genpo/organs on my 11.10 system.

    I have used it with qsynth using FluidR3_GM.sf2 as well several organ sound fonts. http://genpo.sourceforge.net

    Ken.
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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    I'll give it a try for sure, maybe I'll have to renounce to the sound of zyn, but a good chain of sf2 is a good start point.
    Thank you.

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    I,ve installed genpo, I read the manual on th cli... but I havent found how to write (and where to put) a suitable .org file...
    I've found the manual... it seems not be for me. I have to say that is a very powerfull system but I will have to write about 30 / 40 .org files... and if I have to make a change in a song... I need to open an editor to rewrite the definition... don't suite to my operational need.
    Till searching the solution.
    Last edited by mmoraschi; January 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 AM.

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    Hi, specify the kind of music you play, or if your band does
    covers, or originals. Without knowing, that, for bread and butter cover band sounds, with multi-fx, a multi-timbral
    IK Multimedia Sampletank can be used with 16 sounds on 16 channels, change the instrument(s) you want to hear to channel 1. Load more than one multi-timbral instrument for more variety. Zynaddsubfx will do for Multi-timbral synth sounds, and if you get all available soundsets, the variety is pretty good.. At least changing between sounds is easy. For a larger total number of sounds multiple instances of multi-timbral instruments, can yield lots of variety, if you have a powerhouse computer.

    Until 1. ladish can save full projects, and 2. the types of sounds you need are available natively and easily in linux, you will need reaper, with saved projects holding suitable instruments assigned on each track.

    I would study the progress ladish has made in project management,
    as I don't know what success stories can be expected. When it can faithfully reload a project with zynaddsubfx, hydrogen rakarrack, guitarix2, calf/invada plugins, fluidsynth, linuxsampler, and
    qtracktor/ardour/muse/rosegarden, then native productions will be easier to manage, with a good range of instruments.
    Cheers

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    ok... I'm sorry, I think sgx tell me something that is maybe a solution but my bad english create some understanding problems.

    I try to explain. My band make original instrumental songs. I usualy use soundfonts for piano violins and natural intruments and VST for synt and pad ... zyn is perfect.

    So, can you explain what I have to do with wich software for doing these tasks.
    -1) we want to make a new song ... I need for begin: pr g1 piano(sf2), prg2 organ (zyn), prg3 violins (sf2)
    -2) our new song growup and modify so now I need: prg1 piano(sf2), prg2 brass (sf2), and then prg3 organ (zyn) prg4 violins (sf2).

    Is it possible?
    reading your post seem yes, but I dont understand what software I need and what I have to do.
    Hope I can understand better.
    Thanks a LOT!

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    A bit of googling helped.
    I try to explain.
    You suggested two way.
    1- install sample tank and use only this software
    2- use zyn and ladish

    what about sampletank? Is only for win so I need wine and wineasio to have low latency.. (and also I dont want to use cracked software) is the free version usable?

    Zyn and ladish seems to be a little triky to program while I am in the studio for play.

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    Re: How to make chain of instruments

    Quote Originally Posted by mmoraschi View Post
    Is a bit unconfortable maybe impossible to make this kind of operation while we are composing and i have to add an instrument to the song.
    For example I've made a song with 5 intrument ... and i'm playing it with my friend ... the guitarrist say to me ... in the third part ... try to use a violin.... great, I have to add a track give the midi ch 3 and reopen all the instrument after to change the midi ch ... the third to the fourth 4 to 5 an5 to 6 ... it take a time....
    Why don't you just add it as 6th channel?

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