hmmm it looks like maybe it's already fixed in the new alsa builds.
basically nothing worked and I nearly gave up but found this guide
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/So...otingProcedure
step 4 and just adding the ppa and installing the hda audio daily build works
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms
reboot
then both alsa and pulse audio outputs work
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