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Thread: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    Just curious, but does anyone actually like Banshee?

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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    If you really need it... Like you need air, water, food etc. You can install it.

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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    I really don't see the issue. it's not like Canonical banned Banshee from the repos. it's still right there, and is a single 20-second command away. The users who liked it will just download the bloody thing. I understand it can be seen as an insult to be dumped from the default, but it's not like it's going to reduce their relevance or userbase.

    This is one place where i like some other, somewhat less popular Distros, who don't even include an X server by default (Arch).
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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    It appears that most of the "miscommunication'" arose because Canonical didn't set out to kick Banshee out of the default install; instead, it just kind of happened at the UDS. Since it was reported as it unfolded, there wasn't any time to tell the developers prior to it happening.

    If a historian or economist looked at this, he or she would consider this an example of a cyclical majority. The theory would suggest the following scenario:

    The UDS is democratic, at least w/r/t what packages get included in the default install. The question of default media player is something that seems to come up at each UDS. Over time, proponents of Banshee increased their participation, which increased their influence. Once they finally triumphed, there was not as much of an incentive to continue to participate in each UDS. As their numbers dropped, their influence dropped, and the pendulum swung back in favor of Rhythmbox. This is not a surprising result, and it doesn't require any ill will or bad actions on behalf of Canonical.

    You want Ubuntu to be more stable w/r/t the packages it includes in the default installation? Insist that Canonical makes decisions on its own, without any community involvement at all. As long as there is community involvement, you can expect these kinds of swings in the decisions made, and it's silly to assert that Canonical did something wrong here.

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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    I think the point is not that they removed banshee or mono...but that they didn't warn the developers, which if more information is available would be nice.
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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    And again, how would they?

    It wasn't Canonical's decision. At least not directly. Are they supposed to be mind readers and sooth sayers?

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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    snail mail, email, im, irc, facebook, a phone call, skype, radio transmission (if any of the developers operates a radio),

    or maybe the contact section of the banshee webpage
    http://banshee.fm/about/contact/
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    Re: Mono removed from 12.04, developers not told?

    Again, it's not a done deal. It's a discussion that's going on.

    I'd thought the GTK2 / GTK3 issue might be a part of it after noticing that Rhythmbox was GKT3 in 11.10. Looks like that goes a bit farther than I'd expected.

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    Just curious, but does anyone actually like Banshee?
    Frankly, they're fairly interchangeable. Rhythmbox is more stable and marginally less attractive to some folks' tastes, and Banshee has better plugin support and ripping. I like Banshee a little more overall, particularly for its brilliant handling of podcasts, but I actually don't care for its looks, and I hate that it lacks typehead navigation (like, type a bit of the song's name to jump to it.)

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