Amazon announced Kindle Touch and Kindle Fire

**HappinessNow** · October 2nd, 2011

Originally Posted by forrestcupp

The 6" Kindle is $109, while the 9.7" Kindle is $379. So how are they going to be able to compete pricewise with a full featured 10" tablet?

I was curious where you got your pricing from?

when I go to the Amazon website these are the prices I am seeing:

http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Touch-e...pf_rd_i=507846

nothing for $109 or $379

EDIT: I see the $109 is 'without special offers' on the $79 Kindle but where is the $379 from?

EDIT Again: I see $379 is for the Kindle DX

**Paqman** · October 2nd, 2011

Originally Posted by red_Marvin

In your analogy you also exchange "amazon" which "some dodgy geezer on the pub", which is, to me at least, not a straight mapping.
Amazon <-> Well known book store, represented in many countries.
Some warez site <-> some dodgy geezer on the pub
...or something like that...

No, Amazon wasn't selling the book themselves. It was another seller flogging their wares through Amazon that turned out to be selling the ebooks illegally. So you can see why Amazon had a responsibility to act.

To be clear: the "dodgy geezer down the pub" in this case was a publisher called MobileReference. Which, as you can tell from their site, doesn't seem to be the most professional-looking outfit in the book trade.

**red_Marvin** · October 2nd, 2011

Originally Posted by Paqman

No, Amazon wasn't selling the book themselves. It was another seller flogging their wares through Amazon that turned out to be selling the ebooks illegally. So you can see why Amazon had a responsibility to act.

To be clear: the "dodgy geezer down the pub" in this case was a publisher called MobileReference. Which, as you can tell from their site, doesn't seem to be the most professional-looking outfit in the book trade.

In that case, my criticism of the amazon<->shady geezer was based on wrong assumptions, my bad.

But it does not change my initial argument which is that only appointed
representatives of the government should have the right to invade peoples'
homes (or "things" in this case) in order to guarantee that everything
follows protocol. (Unless someone is in danger or something.)

You seem to think that the restoration of the stolen property trumps that
rule and I think we'll just have to disagree on that point.

~ * ~

However, I don't see it as very realistic that the police should have people
on the payroll and software in order to be able to interfer with each and
every electronic device that has ever been sold.
Perhaps amazon could take care of that, but they should do that
if and only if a judge gives them that mandate.

Now, in my opinon the ideal case would be that the purchasers of the book
would be able to keep it, because they bought it fair and square.
The shady seller on the pub, so to speak, should have to pay the copyright
holders what they are owed.

The problem which can come up with physical stolen goods--that the stolen
and resold item is a family heirloom or something like that, that cannot
be replaced, making either the original holder or the final buyer have to
relinquish it in the end, should not be a problem since it is digital data
and a copyright crime. ...On that note, I think this case would make a pretty
good example of why there in law should be a difference between copyright
infringement and theft. But that is a debate for another day.

**Paqman** · October 2nd, 2011

Originally Posted by red_Marvin

Perhaps amazon could take care of that, but they should do that
if and only if a judge gives them that mandate.

Maybe so, but I suspect Amazon took legal advice before acting in this case. IANAL, but if the law is clear on a particular issue I don't see why anyone should need to get the judiciary involved before acting.

Now, in my opinon the ideal case would be that the purchasers of the book
would be able to keep it, because they bought it fair and square.
The shady seller on the pub, so to speak, should have to pay the copyright
holders what they are owed.

I believe that's exactly what Amazon said they would do in any future cases such as this. They did not enjoy all the negative press.

**forrestcupp** · October 2nd, 2011

Originally Posted by HappinessNow

EDIT: I see the $109 is 'without special offers' on the $79 Kindle but where is the $379 from?

EDIT Again: I see $379 is for the Kindle DX

Right. The DX is the newer 10" version. That's why I'm wondering what the price difference will be with a 10" Fire.

**HappinessNow** · October 10th, 2011

Originally Posted by forrestcupp

Right. The DX is the newer 10" version. That's why I'm wondering what the price difference will be with a 10" Fire.

I am really thinking of getting the Kindle Touch 3G as a gift for my wife.

I am really impressed by the ease of reading on E-Ink, and she loves to read, it especially nice to be able to check out E-Ink library books now on the Kindles. 3G is a bonus and the price is right.

**earthpigg** · October 10th, 2011

Originally Posted by Dr. C

It is really very simple. If I buy a paper book and take it home, the bookseller cannot change its mind, break into my home, take said book and and any notes I made have made and leave me what I paid for it on the bookcase. To prevent this kind of break in or any other kind of break in for that matter I have a lock on my door and other security measures.

With an ebook I need to do the same thing and lock the tablet down to prevent the bookseller from changing change its mind, breaking into my tablet, taking said book and any notes I made have made and leaving me what I paid for it, as Amazon actually did with George Orwell's 1984 back in 2009. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/te.../18amazon.html. The stock OS will very likely give the bookseller in this case Amazon a "master key". With Ubuntu on the other hand I control the master key and any other keys so I can lock the tablet down to prevent these kinds of break ins.

Make the e-book purchase, don't bother downloading from seller, head over to the piratebay.org, download it, make sure you aren't seeding.

Problem solved, works on all e-book readers, no laws broken, artist compensated, everyone wins.

Here's the long-winded version of that from our friends at the EFF.

**larytet** · December 5th, 2011

Short howto for 11.04 (based on http://rootkindlefire.com/kindle-fir...-osx-or-linux/)

- Install Android SDK - you can pull TGZ from android.com
- Add Platform tools and Android 2.2 SDK platform - this step will add "adb" in the folder <SDK>/platform-tools
- In the file ~/.android/adb_usb.ini add two lines

Code:

0x1949
0x0006

- In the file /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules (create the file if missing) add line

Code:

SUBSYSTEM==usb, SYSFS{idVendor}==1949, MODE=0666

- Connect Kindle Fire to the USB and do

Code:

sudo ./adb kill-server;sudo ./adb start-server;sudo ./adb devices

. You should get something like

Code:

List of devices attached 
4B46000600000001	device

- Get the script from http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/K...otMacLinux.zip
- Execute runmelinux.sh from the folder where adb is (SDK/platform-tools/) or add adb folder to the $PATH

At this point the Kindle is rooted. Disconnect the Kindle and check if in the Application list there is "Android root". If adb does not see Kindle try command

Code:

lsusb

. You should see device with vendor ID 1949

If adb sees the device you can access the the Kindle shell by simply

Code:

adb shell

. Command

Code:

su -i

will make you a root.

The final stage is putting applications and specifically Vending.apk (Android Market) Get it from http://www.mediafire.com/?rest29bka7mm0ck (see also http://www.pcworld.com/article/24447...ndle_fire.html)