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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Seeing that this thread has .. well no consistent thread. I'm jumping in.

    I'm contemplating dumping my tower for a all-in-one desktop. Other than the iMac, the rest of the All-in-ones look like ugly garbage.

    Is system76 looking to go that route with there netTops?

    May i offer a little consumer feed back related to All-in-ones?
    1) Dump the DVD/CD-rom optical drives. They take up too much VALUABLE space. DVD/CD-roms are from 2001 and they need to stay there. If retro geeks want one, they can buy a usb optical drive.

    2) With the wasted space back (optical drive), you can put the following in its place:

    • Another 2.5" drive slot
    • 2-mPCIE for small slot SSDs. There usually is 2 for wifi/bluetooth, I don't want to have to pull one out for a mini SSD
    • More ram slots for 6-8GB.
    • Put in a decent 1GB videocard (ddr5 even)

    3) Put is a decent 720P web-cam with an aperture in.
    4) Obviously Esata. iMac fumble.
    5) Dump the atom and offer a i3/i5 series. i7 maybe much initially.
    6) Offer 2560x1600 native resolution in a 27" LED series.
    7) Have a half decent finish, it doesn't need to be brushed steel. Other than the iMac the rest (sony, HP, dell, etc) are U-G-L-Y ugly. I know system76 laptops have nice finishes. And they locate all the ports in practical and logical locations.
    8) And another unlikely option that would be nice is a barebones option. Most ubuntu users are fundamentally DYI'ers. Don't offer support for barebone purchases to keep support cost down.
    Don't make the same mistake as the rest.

    Please comment or correct my ignorance if i miss typed.

    If people agree let me know.

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    The serial thread slayer strikes again!!!!!

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Well. I didn't realize that System76 doesn't support the latest LTS. I was thinking about buying one. Too bad.

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    I guess you can't order it with the LONG TERM SUPPORT version, can you order it with Kubuntu, Xubuntu or any other spin?



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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dangertux View Post
    Well. I didn't realize that System76 doesn't support the latest LTS. I was thinking about buying one. Too bad.
    If the choice is supporting bleeding edge hardware or
    supporting an older operating system,
    I'll take the bleeding edge.

    Computers age fast enough to begin with,
    might as well start with the latest & greatest.

    jdb

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by jdb View Post
    ... the latest & greatest.

    ...
    A myth. Some people run production machines, major requirements are stability and reliability. This generally means LTS (what that release is designed for).

    You are also wrong about the bleeding edge. The bleeding edge are the daily builds (and you aren't using them I presume). 11.04 (soon to be 11.10) are the cutting edge.

    If you like to doodle, tweak, test and probe, go for either. If you need a workhorse that's not going to falter, go the LTS or doodle, tweak, test and probe until your cutting edge release is stable. A virtual impossibility on the bleeding edge.

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky Ball View Post
    A myth. Some people run production machines, major requirements are stability and reliability. This generally means LTS (what that release is designed for).

    You are also wrong about the bleeding edge. The bleeding edge are the daily builds (and you aren't using them I presume). 11.04 (soon to be 11.10) are the cutting edge.

    If you like to doodle, tweak, test and probe, go for either. If you need a workhorse that's not going to falter, go the LTS or doodle, tweak, test and probe until your cutting edge release is stable. A virtual impossibility on the bleeding edge.
    I'm talking about getting the latest hardware.
    I like to be able to use it a while before it gets obsolete LOL

    jdb

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Hi isantop,

    Quote Originally Posted by isantop View Post
    The cost of windows on laptops is usually fully subsidized by companies paying to have trial versions of their software preinstalled on the system. In many cases, the manufacturer will completely subsidize the cost of the Windows license and parts of the hardware, thus allowing them to make the same profit by selling the system for cheaper than it would be otherwise. Since Ubuntu software vendors don't have trial versions of software, and because it's outside our business practices to do so, we don't subsidize the cost at all.
    I'm sorry but I just can't let such thing told.

    I might not be in the PC business as much as you but the money that Manufacturers get with the software trials is nowhere near the cost of the Windows licence.

    For example when lenovo sells the same machine with WIN7HP and Freedos, you can see a 60$ difference at least.

    Imagine that MacAfee cost 30$/year, would they pay the manufacturer even 20$ to have the trial installed ?

    Sorry to be straight to the point but let's face it : Most of the barebones (clevo etc..) used by Ubuntu resellers are sold with a High Margin just because Adapting and testing Ubuntu takes of lot of engineer time and then Cost a lot. I then think it's normal that such laptops cost a bit much than windows laptops.



    But please telling that trials software gives more that the Win licence cost is just a Legend ...

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    ~2 minutes of google-fu yields the following articles:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/te...irus.html?_r=1
    https://blog.avast.com/2009/07/20/wh...-new-computer/


    Why do you think that this is just a legend that AV vendors pay OEMs to preload their product?

    Also you have to factor in the following to understand the price difference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

    So to answer the question behind the question...
    System76 isn't gouging customers.

    Note: sometimes crapware vendors will also enter into revenue sharing agreements with OEMs so that the OEM will preload their software. This also reduces the price tag on the hardware.
    Last edited by nevius; July 20th, 2011 at 03:10 AM.

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    Re: I saw an ad for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by isantop View Post
    We also generally offer higher-quality hardware than many other PC vendors. In addition to that, in an apples to apples comparison, between the same configurations, you'll often find we offer highly competitive pricing versus other manufacturers.
    hahah I see what you did there

    In answer to the OP's question, no, System76 is not overpriced. I recently built a Gazelle Professional with my best friend AFTER returning a MacBook. The 15" Macbook cost about $30 less than my Gaz..but it was also inferior in every way. Please allow me to explain: I paid $2,033 for my Gazelle that works perfectly with Linux. The Mac was roughly $2000, had an inferior trackpad, proc, video card, severe lacking of USB ports, and didn't work as well with Linux in general (in my experience--i realize others experiences will vary).

    For my 2G I got the following:
    Car AC Adapter Car AC Adapter
    Display Resolution 15.6" Full HD LED Display with Matte Finished Surface (1920 x 1080)
    Extra AC Adapter Additional Adapter
    Extra Battery Extra Gazelle Pro Li-Polymer Battery Pack
    Graphics Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M Graphics with 1.5GB GDDR5 Video Memory
    Hard Drive 750 GB 7200 RPM SATA II
    Hardware Warranty 1 Yr. Ltd. Warranty and 1 Yr. Technical Support
    Laptop Bag
    Memory 8 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 2 X 4GB
    Operating System Ubuntu 11.04 64-bit
    Optical Drive Bay 8X DVDąR/RW/4X +DL Super-Multi Drive
    Processor 2nd Generation Intel Core i7-2820QM Processor ( 8MB L3 Cache, 2.30GHz)
    Wireless Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6230 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Combo Module

    Economically speaking, I got an extra battery, laptop case, car adapter, better proc, better video card, 5 usb ports (versus 2), better screen with a matte display and better resolution, the option to upgrade my RAM and HD to SATA 3..and much more for $33 more..not to mention the moral implications (again, my personal experience, not projecting morality on anyone, just explaining my POV to the OP..)

    Moreover, I fully support a company that supports Linux. I personally believe in Linux and want to see it work and succeed as I believe in it. Some people say it's only an OS, but to me, Linux is an example of functional socialism and what humanity can strive to be. The Linux community is fantastic, and this company is fantastic. System76's customer service is great! Please realize we live in a capitalist society and companies like System76 need to make a little profit in order to SURVIVE in a society like ours. In terms of "cost" (which, in itself is a loaded word economically and morally) System76 is worth every penny..

    Hope that helps
    Last edited by fancy_ninja; July 22nd, 2011 at 07:52 AM.

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