I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Freedom is measured in Stallmans.
I know. It is just what I mean. We have to crawl before we can stand.
He isn't totally off the mark. You have to remember, not all of us are bonafied Linux geeks... Though hopefully Ill get there soon.
One thing Ive learned is to not jump at the newest updates for my main laptop. Every major Ubuntu update has put me in the forums to find and request fixes. Usually after about a week all is well.
Right now Xubuntu 10.04 is working beautifully on my T42 so I'm just going wait awhile. I will be loading 10.10 on my dirty notebook. This is how I learn Linux and hopefully be able to help others with their issues and help them realize what an awesome OS. this is.
Last edited by Nylo; October 12th, 2010 at 01:49 AM.
Lubuntu / T42
Lubuntu / NB205
Excuse me, I am a NOOB!yes, "stupid bin"
Some folks call it like it is, bummer.
SO - please remember that not everyone is a PRO. And i think it is safe to say even us noobs WANT Ubuntu to work...it just doesn't in a lot of ways.
And if you all want all us noobs to go away so you can have your OS all to yourselves let us noobs know and I guess we will all have to give up on Linux because we are just not wanted.
Been using Ubuntu for 10 months, tops.
and I have not had a single issue i could not figure out on my own or with the support here.
For 10 months~ Ubuntu has "worked" perfectly.
I couldnt be happier with an OS.
and 10 months ago, I had never even touched a Linux system!
So, That "n00b" thing isnt going to work.
nor will the "you guys are elitists"
and Im not the only n00b here who is having the same great experiences with Ubuntu.
Like the quote I saw here one time~
or" Linux is not user-friendly. It _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly."
. lol"Linux is user friendly, it's just picky about who it's friends are"
I setup elderly people, and young children with Ubuntu..
and not one of them has had any real issues!
Take that as you wish. O_o
But if people ages 9 to 89 can manage it without any problems,
that speaks volumes about some of you.
I must be trying to be "elite".
right, elite n00b. doh
Last edited by Rasa1111; October 12th, 2010 at 02:12 AM.
Not to mention the fact that all updates are handled through a single interface as well, as opposed to Windows where each application has to implement some kind of update service on its own, if the developer decides it's even worth his time to do so!
You have to keep in mind that different parts of the system are at different stages of development for each release. Given what the Ubuntu Developers have to work with at any given time, things generally turn out pretty good.
The Maverick release to me is a glimpse of what the future holds. I will not get into great detail but things like the Software Center, Ubuntu One, songs and apps for purchase, the Ubuntu fonts,
the Me Menu, the new look, etc are steps in the right direction.
Quality is improving rapidly and development of needed technology is progressing at a good pace. The whole idea of releases right now is to meet certain goals that are set, these goals being met will lead to increased market share. Ubuntu is gearing up for prime time.
C'mon, too much energy wasted in this trhead. Nothing useful to do here.
What's even more important than free software? - OPEN FORMATS.
--> I think that if you're willing to be 'open' and do your own research, Ubuntu tops Windows 7 hands down in reliability, stability and less maintenance...(speed all around is better, too).
Windows is necessary for the big vendors 'cuz everyone writes for Microsoft. It's good for simply tuning in if you're not a techie.
We owe Bill Gates a huge debt of gratitude for what he started and did with "PCs." We can't compare Microsoft to, well, frankly anything else because it was the visionary and did what it took.
I love the philosophy of Ubuntu and also believe "it just works."
---> Take that to the bank. See ya, guys.
PS: FYI (if you're interested) I do two backups for each machine constantly, now. Each one is 654Gb. and climbing so it's no small task for either system. Rock on!
You know, for the record the only reason i jumped onto this thread was because i do not think it is right to anonymously call people stupid. And i agree - to much energy spent on this thread.
Full Disclosure: I've been using Linux and FreeBSD since about 2000, and Ubuntu since 7.x back in 2007. I've been following up the development of all these through the years.
Now there are certain things that do suck and will probably continue to do so for a while. All the ones I can think of happen to be out of scope from Canonical's perspective, so someone else is at fault. In other words, if these things annoy you, make sure you know who is responsible and let that group know instead of Canonical.
A semi-short list:
* Flash. It sucks on windows, it sucks on linux, and it's full of holes waiting to be exploited. And adobe has no clue when it comes to fixing said bugs. Luckily for us, HTML5 may be of help here. Sadly flash is everywhere so it's not going away any time soon..
* Binary blob drivers and manufacturers who do not release source code or specs. Have an Nvidia or ATI card? Then you are either running a limited open-source driver or the binary-only one from your card maker. Thanks to the closed-source policy, bugs here get fixed slowly and often can't be fixed at all on the open-source side.
* ALSA, often called an 'abomination' on slashdot and similar sites. Year after year I watch ALSA fail miserably at even basic audio duties, for every computer that has it installed. Sadly, there is not much of an alternative for some people here (OSS does not have drivers for some hardware, etc) so ALSA is here to stay and give people headaches for some time yet.
* Patents, now used by commercial entities to stall development in the open source world. These are a legal assault on software quality and involve no developers, except the ones trying to get around said patents. Boycott Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and the rest of the companies peddling these things.
...and that should be enough to make the point. IMHO, Canonical itself is guilty of none of these and has little control over them so again, please find out who the guilty party is before you start the flame war.