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    Re: computer store

    Quote Originally Posted by Paqman View Post
    Indeed. A barebones system lacks a lot more than the OS, too. It's basically a case, power supply and mobo.
    Normally by the time you build a Clone, it is no cheaper than pre-built system with Windows already on it.

    Last December eMachines was selling complete systems minus monitor with Vista 64 for $190.

    Now, the cheapest are much higher for some reason, but about $350.


    Clone:
    Pretty Case + Power supply = $100
    Keyboard, Mouse = $25
    DVD-RW = $25
    3GB RAM = $75
    MoBo + CPU = $100
    500GB HDD = $50
    Cardreader = $25

    That's $400 without Windows. You might be able to shave that down to $350, but probably not.
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    Re: computer store

    Quote Originally Posted by ubudog View Post
    Does anyone know of a computer store (online or actual store) where you can get the discount of not having to pay for Windows? (like the HDD is already formatted?)
    Thats easy. Buy parts and build it yourself.

    If that sounds a bit hard, ibuypower (and probably otehr places I dont know about) will sell you a built computer without windows.

    http://www.ibuypower.com/

    Quote Originally Posted by McRat View Post
    Normally by the time you build a Clone, it is no cheaper than pre-built system with Windows already on it.

    Last December eMachines was selling complete systems minus monitor with Vista 64 for $190.

    Now, the cheapest are much higher for some reason, but about $350.

    Clone:
    Pretty Case + Power supply = $100
    Keyboard, Mouse = $25
    DVD-RW = $25
    3GB RAM = $75
    MoBo + CPU = $100
    500GB HDD = $50
    Cardreader = $25

    That's $400 without Windows. You might be able to shave that down to $350, but probably not.
    I get a giggle everytime I see you write 'clones' MacRat. So 80s

    I got that to under $300. $297.89 to be exact.

    HEC Case + Power supply, $54.98
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.397828

    Intel Celeron 430, $40.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116039

    Zotac NF61, $44.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813500018

    Cricial 1GB + 2GB, $20.99 + $37.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148166
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148236

    Hitachi Deskstar 500GB, $49.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145286

    Asus DVD-RW, $18.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135204

    PS/2 Mouse, $3.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826129004

    PS/2 Keyboard, $4.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823201029

    All In One Card Reader, $19.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820162024

    Similar (ultra-low) level CPU, same (obsolete) chipset, same mismatched (no dual channel) RAM setup, probably a superiour DVD-RW, similar level (POS generic) power supply and case, etc..

    Those emachines are built down to a price point, with the oldest and cheapest parts they can get, often using 'cut down' ECS motherboards. I've heard of them asking for cash for BIOS upgrades!

    The $190 dollar emachines probably arent aroudn anymore because they cant souce any more Pentium 4 CPUS

    You get what you pay for in some ways, and buying the cheapest boxxen means you will be getting the cheapest parts. If someone did spend an extra $100 on parts, overall the computer would be much nicer than that thing from emachines.

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    Re: computer store

    As a note you may be able to get you money back by not accepting the end user agreement which you have to accept to use the pre-installed windows version. This can however be a long process it has yielded results but not always.

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    Re: computer store

    Quote Originally Posted by tarps87 View Post
    As a note you may be able to get you money back by not accepting the end user agreement which you have to accept to use the pre-installed windows version. This can however be a long process it has yielded results but not always.
    Companies will no longer adhere to this, because they don't want you to return the windows.

    For example. What GATEWAD does, is instead of allowing you to return the software, they tell you to talk to Microsoft about returning the software. But then Microsoft tells you to read the terms for the return, which states that the Manufacturer of the computer, Gatewad, is responsible for returning the windows.

    Sadly, when you return this information to Gatewad, they'll then say they don't accept windows returns.

    It's also not efficient to return windows anyway. Most companies load so much junk... that if you DO return windows, you most often will not get enough money back to pay for the shipping. (IE: 5 USD)

    (Some companies ask you to send in the entire machine.)

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    Re: computer store

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    Re: computer store

    Dell sells the N-Series laptops and desktops which have either Ubuntu (generally an older version) or FreeDOS preinstalled, and they're generally cheaper than buying the equivalent system with Windows. Problem though is Dell doesn't actively market these systems so they're hard to find on their website. Even the URL http://www.dell.com/nseries doesn't take you there anymore, but chatting with support (did this a few weeks ago) they can give you the link. Not that I'm a huge fan of Dell, but that's one option with a familiar name.

    With that being said I highly suggest System76. Cost-wise they're systems are comparable to Windows systems, but with the amount of effort and time those guys put into making their systems 100% Ubuntu complaint it's worth it. My System76 PanP5 laptop is a year old, and 64-bit Ubuntu 10.04 runs with zero problems and 100% of the hardware is supported after a clean install. I did a price comparison last year, and it did show that System76 systems cost less than equiv Windows systems.

    And as you said you may be able to find a mom and pop shop that'll built a system for not too much without any OS. That's always an option, but such shops and systems are harder to find since there are so many cookie-cutter systems out there. You can also build one yourself using parts from NewEgg, but honestly I've found it's almost cheaper to find a user system that's less than 12 months old.

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    Re: computer store

    Quote Originally Posted by ubudog View Post
    Does anyone know of a computer store (online or actual store) where you can get the discount of not having to pay for Windows? (like the HDD is already formatted?)
    I've purchased from both of these sites before. The first sells reasonably priced Ubuntu systems. The second one pushes Windows only software, however, during the ordering process there is an option to purchase the system without Windows, it generally knocks about $100 off the price.

    http://www.eightvirtues.com/

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    Re: computer store

    Quote Originally Posted by theraje View Post
    Is System76 still around? *snip*
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    Re: computer store

    Companies like that do exist however you have to hunt around and avoid the big names (like dell or gateway). I don't remember the name of the company (I think it was powerPC.com or something like that) but the last time I bought a computer (about a year or two ago) I made certain it was from a company that allows customers to eliminate windows and save a few bucks. As I remember they had 3 OS choices windows, ubuntu, and freeDOS. They wouldn't send out a completely blank drive but they also didn't charge for either ubuntu or freeDOS. I chose ubuntu just to encourage it however as soon as I got the system I reformatted and reinstalled myself anyways so I could more easily configure it how I wanted.
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    Re: computer store

    Quote Originally Posted by Excedio View Post
    Looking for something a little cheaper. Thanks for the replies!

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