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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    Quote Originally Posted by hessiess View Post
    There is no such thing as a good WYSIWYG HTML editor for ANY platform, they all produce horrible HTML/CSS. Just learn HTML, it is NOT difficult, you can easily learn the basics of HTML and CSS in just a day or two.

    And while we're at it, lets get rid of PHP, Python, Ruby, C++ etc. And lets all start programming in assembly.

    And for the record, Dreamweaver produces the cleanest HTML/CSS of any of the HTML tools I've seen out there, although its not for Linux.

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    And while we're at it, lets get rid of PHP, Python, Ruby, C++ etc. And lets all start programming in assembly.
    Those are two completely different issues, PHP, Python and Ruby are high level scripting languages, C/C++ are medium level compiled programming language. They were all designed to solve some specific problem, which they have successfully achieved, hence there popularity.

    HTML on the other hand is primarily a language for applying meaning to content, such as defining some part of a text as a heading, another part as a paragraph and so on, the exact formatting of this is controlled by style sheets and the browser, two browsers NEVER render a page exactly the same. This is in direct opposition to the whole WYSIWYG paradigm which defines that the content is styled by the user and will AWAYS look the same(within physical limitations), regardless of the output device. Visual HTML editors emulate WYSIWYG using a large amount of inline styling, which results in messy and unmaintainable code.

    Also a large amount of modern web design techniques such as completely fluid layouts and page elements with rounded corners rely on techniques which would be next to imposable to implement in a visual way and require at least some knowledge of the underlying languages.

    The paradigm used by HTML is known as WYSIWYM (what you see is what you mean) and encourages the separation of styling and content, resulting in much easier maintenance. For example changing the style of all the headings on an entire website which correctly separates content and formatting only requires changing ONE CSS file.

    Still don't believe that WYSIWYG editors produce awful code, just take a look at the source of the page linked to in the op: http://www.kirkcaldybands.com/. The code isnt valid XHTML eather, though there aren't many errors:http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...Inline&group=0

    On a slightly different issue, I would not recommend creating a website using just static html unless it:

    • Only contains one or two pages or:
    • you never intend to change it.


    Using a CMS makes maintenance substantially easier, my current portfolio is static HTML, using includes to reduce duplication, but it still takes an hour or two just to add one page to it.
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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    HTML on the other hand is primarily a language for applying meaning to content, such as defining some part of a text as a heading, another part as a paragraph and so on, the exact formatting of this is controlled by style sheets and the browser, two browsers NEVER render a page exactly the same. This is in direct opposition to the whole WYSIWYG paradigm which defines that the content is styled by the user and will AWAYS look the same(within physical limitations), regardless of the output device. Visual HTML editors emulate WYSIWYG using a large amount of inline styling, which results in messy and unmaintainable code.
    An HTML design tool is still useful, irrespective of what you just said. It might not produce perfect HTML in all cases, but most tools let you edit HTML directly. But they do save you a LOT of development time. Any sensible webdev team working on a large website will use some sort of HTML design tool, and will not code all HTML by hand. That is just silly.

    The paradigm used by HTML is known as WYSIWYM (what you see is what you mean) and encourages the separation of styling and content, resulting in much easier maintenance. For example changing the style of all the headings on an entire website which correctly separates content and formatting only requires changing ONE CSS file.
    A lot of tools recognize CSS and work with it perfectly well. Give dreamweaver a try. It works seamless with CSS, even lets you store styles in a seperate document. And applies it to elements on the fly.

    Still don't believe that WYSIWYG editors produce awful code, just take a look at the source of the page linked to in the op: http://www.kirkcaldybands.com/. The code isnt valid XHTML eather, though there aren't many errors:http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...Inline&group=0
    That was generated using OpenOffice. Its hardly a standard HTML editor. Again, try dreamweaver, and see how many errors you get. Infact, dreamweaver has an inbuilt error checking mechanism that alerts you when you try to use elements that are incompatible with some browsers.

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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    Thanks guys.

    I tried out Kompozer from the latest repositories and it seems to work fine.

    I kind of agree with most of the comments around knowing the HTML is the ideal way to really design webpages well. In an ideal world I'd love to learn it.

    Joomla looks a very interesting solution too.

    cheers

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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    Have you tried Amaya from W3C?

    http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    Quote Originally Posted by tomreid View Post
    ...Joomla looks a very interesting solution too.

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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    Why does everyone seem to bash the fact that someone may want to use a WYSIWYG as a means to speed up development time. I have over 15 years experience in professional development with various fortune 500 companies. However I use a WYSIWYG as a means to quickly spit out code, view source and make tweaks accordingly. I feel that such a set up helps in a speedy and effective development rather than trial and error procedures.

    It is OK to use tools that benefit you as a developer. I completely understand that a tool like DreamWeaver may not produce valid HTML however it helps me spit out the framework which i can tweak to my needs.

    If you maintain that attitude than please go ahead and start coding in Assembly language as that would be way more efficient and fast since you can get away with optimized code. However if you have any sense you would not want to do that since it would take a very long time to just produce a valid "Hello World" string.

    Enough Said.

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    Re: Really Good WYSISWG HTML Editor for Ubuntu

    Since this is a 6 month old thread, resurrected only for the purpose of a response more likely to cause a flamewar than a real discussion, I think the thread has outlived its usefulness. Feel free to start a new thread on the topic with new information if you are interested.
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