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    Grub Beta freakout

    Ive noticed something, to be honest, quite funny over the past few weeks, and Im curious as to why.

    Why is it that majority of the beginner's users here flip a brain when they see that Grub is a beta? Ive seen some users actually demand that other forum members help them remove grub completely- they would be more pleased NOT HAVING A BOOTLOADER on their computer at all than having a beta version.

    I understand some left over confusion coming from the Windows world, but is it really that big of a deal?

    Its my understanding that grub is built on top of the original framework from grub legacy- so wouldnt that make it all the more stable?


    Im just confused as to why users put up such a huge fight over seeing the word 'beta' on anything on their system.

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    Re: Grub Beta freakout

    Quote Originally Posted by tom.swartz07
    Why is it that majority of the beginner's users here flip a brain when they see that Grub is a beta?
    Probably because they don't know that the word "Beta" does not point to a specific, universal degree of release quality, and has to be understood as per the terms of each project that uses it to label their releases.
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    Thats exactly the point im trying to get at- people see 'beta' and it instantly snaps in their brain that it means 'less than good'

    For pete's sake- GMail was in 'Beta' for nearly 3 years!
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    Re: Grub Beta freakout

    Quote Originally Posted by tom.swartz07 View Post
    Thats exactly the point im trying to get at- people see 'beta' and it instantly snaps in their brain that it means 'less than good'
    Right; I'd prefer it if people trusted the judgement of the those who found it suitable to include it in an Ubuntu release despite that "less than good" label, at least initially.
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    Sensible devs don't put in software which doesn't work, there are plenty of reasons why they shouldn't have used GRUB2. On my system it takes 25-30 seconds to load the menu because the I'm installing to the MBR of a different drive, thats inexcusable for a distro such as Ubuntu which is supposed to be "Beginner Friendly". Please don't tell me to configure GRUB differently or install it to the same drive because I will be pissed. LILO has worked fine on this configuration for years yet GRUB2, in 2009 can't do the same thing.

    This is not Arch, this is not Debian Sid, this is not Fedora. This is UBUNTU, a distro which if people haven't noticed a lot of first time Linux users are going to switch to, do you think they're going to be pleased with it if the bootloader cannot perform basic tasks to a high standard.

    I don't care it's got the ******* word beta slapped on it, I care because it doesn't ******* work.
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    Re: Grub Beta freakout

    Quote Originally Posted by Techsnap View Post
    Sensible devs don't put in software which doesn't work, there are plenty of reasons why they shouldn't have used GRUB2. On my system it takes 25-30 seconds to load the menu because the I'm installing to the MBR of a different drive, thats inexcusable for a distro such as Ubuntu which is supposed to be "Beginner Friendly". Please don't tell me to configure GRUB differently or install it to the same drive because I will be pissed. LILO has worked fine on this configuration for years yet GRUB2, in 2009 can't do the same thing.

    This is not Arch, this is not Debian Sid, this is not Fedora. This is UBUNTU, a distro which if people haven't noticed a lot of first time Linux users are going to switch to, do you think they're going to be pleased with it if the bootloader cannot perform basic tasks to a high standard.

    I don't care it's got the ******* word beta slapped on it, I care because it doesn't ******* work.
    Id say your case is one of the outlying 'special' cases.
    If your computer is set up in such a way that it isnt just 1 or 2 hdds and a few OSs, youre bound to run into problems.

    Quite frankly, Id be willing to say that if youre creating a computer with that advanced of a setup, youre probably better off using a more 'advanced' bootloader.

    My point is that for the general user- the person who has 1 to 4 os's on their system, Grub is MORE than capable of doing the job with little to no configuration. It just seems to me that people are just snapping out because it 'might break for no reason'.
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    Re: Grub Beta freakout

    Quote Originally Posted by Techsnap View Post
    On my system it takes 25-30 seconds to load the menu because the I'm installing to the MBR of a different drive,
    I agree that is definitely a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Techsnap;8702606P
    lease don't tell me to configure GRUB differently or install it to the same drive because I will be pissed.
    May I ask why you must install it on a different drive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Techsnap;8702606P
    do you think they're going to be pleased with it if the bootloader cannot perform basic tasks to a high standard.
    I would think that most people would just install it on the same drive and for most people it performs that basic task to a high standard, in my opinion/on all of the computers I have installed Ubuntu on.


    And to the OP, I have had family members ask/worry about GRUB saying that is in Beta but usually explaining to them that it is similar to when Google has products that are in Beta for a while too eases the "freakout"
    Last edited by SilverDragon; January 21st, 2010 at 11:20 PM. Reason: I forgot to address the OP
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    May I ask why you must install it on a different drive?
    Because I do, because I use my system how I want to, not how people THINK I should use it. As I say I've been booting it with lilo for 8 years this way.

    Actually taking all your replies into consideration just shows none of you know what you're talking about. So people with advanced set ups (which aren't actually advanced) shouldn't be installing things differently.

    If your computer is set up in such a way that it isnt just 1 or 2 hdds and a few OSs, youre bound to run into problems.
    No you're not, this is garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techsnap View Post
    Because I do, because I use my system how I want to, not how people THINK I should use it. As I say I've been booting it with lilo for 8 years this way.
    That's perfectly fine. I was just wondering if there was a benefit to it or a disadvantage to installing in on the same drive.

    If your computer is set up in such a way that it isnt just 1 or 2 hdds and a few OSs, youre bound to run into problems.
    No you're not, this is garbage.
    I agree. It should work just fine if you set it properly which it seems like you do.

    Is the main reason you use Lilo over Grub the fact Grub takes forever to load or are there even more advantages?
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    I'm familiar with LILO and it's less likely to leave me with an unbootable system. The old version of GRUB works for the most part but not all the time. Obviously GRUB2 is going to be fine eventually but until it's released it's ridiculous to put it in a distribution such as Ubuntu.

    Though I don't use Ubuntu myself stuff like this annoys me because most people who switch to Linux go to Ubuntu first and it just gives Linux a shoddy image to be honest. Especially when there is software like that included.

    Take a look at This Post too.

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