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    Re: Haiku OS: What's the big deal anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mornedhel View Post
    Mohkay. I'm genuinely curious : how long did it take for Linux to get to the state that Haiku is at now ?
    Here is a linux timeline by Linux Journal:
    http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6000

    Linux was started in Aug. 1991 and by 1998 it was already being used by then start-up Google and offered to consumers by PC vendors like Dell and Gateway. I was already using Redhat 5.2 in 1998.
    Where are we with Haiku after 8 years? If there was going to be a wide support for Haiku, it would have happened already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oobuntoo View Post
    Here is a linux timeline by Linux Journal:
    http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6000

    Linux was started in Aug. 1991 and by 1998 it was already being used by then start-up Google and offered to consumers by PC vendors like Dell and Gateway. I was already using Redhat 5.2 in 1998.
    Where are we with Haiku after 8 years? If there was going to be a wide support for Haiku, it would have happened already.
    I think that was largely because only linux was only free/opensource contender at that time. Now we have linux and here is no point in rush from here anywhere else. Open source gurus, enthusiasts, activists, etc are at home now and it is hard find reasons to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oobuntoo View Post
    If there was going to be a wide support for Haiku, it would have happened already.
    If BeOS made a great, scalable server OS, it would have had wide support. That, though, is not is goal, and therefore it will not experience the same process that GNU/Linux went through. Haiku will be accepted by Netbook manufacturers first, if anything. Why not now? What Netbook manufacturer wants an Alpha OS on their hardware?

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    Its not ready for the consumer market. GEOS met a similar fate on the Brother line of notebooks. People just turned thumbs down to a non-Windows OS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oobuntoo View Post
    No aggression here, just pointing out the obvious. My 20-years remark is based on the numbers of developers behind this project and the fact that it took 8 years just to release an alpha. People are assuming that somehow a horde of developers are just going to jump on the Haiku bandwagon now that an alpha is released.
    According to the reports below something big is a foot with Haiku and it's release of alpha 1. It is not just another NIX alpha hitting the scene but is the most FEARED OS of all time and it NOT NIX. It is MUCH faster, very stable, yet simple to use for the technically illiterate but combines a terminal for power users.

    Microsoft did everything in its power to destroy it as BeOS and to keep it out of the market and OFF consumers computers. They muscled Best Buy to pull computers of their shelves loaded with it. It could run INSIDE of Windows similar to VM does now and on an update to Windows destroyed it. It dual booted with Windows and on the next versions of Windows on install it sought out any BeOS system on th users hard drive and wiped those partitions out. Dell was going to supply BeOS to their customers on their computers and Microsoft said they would destroy Dell if they did. Compaq had been pressured not to market an Internet appliance in partnership with Be Inc. Microsoft acted to artificially depress Be Inc's IPO. In Japan Hitachi verbally committed to Be that it would pre-install BeOS alongside Windows on a line of its personal computers. Hitachi also informed Be that after it had notified Microsoft of its intent to pre-install BeOS, Microsoft sent two managers to Japan to express Microsoft’s anger over the arrangement. Microsoft also threatened to raise the price of Windows to Hitachi if Hitachi installed Be’s boot manager on its computers. Hitachi was forced to remove any indication BeOS was loaded onto those computers too from the boot, the instructions for it, the outside of their computers, or any advertising they did for the computer.

    http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/24/...boot-sabotage/

    Apple refused to disclose certain architectural information about its G3
    PowerPC G3

    PowerPC G3 was a designation used by Apple Computer to a third generation of PowerPC microprocessors from the PowerPC 750 family designed and manufactured by IBM and Motorola/Freescale Semiconductor....
    line of computers—information Be deemed critical to making BeOS work on the latest hardware from Apple. In 1997, Power Computing
    Power Computing

    Power Computing Corporation was the first company selected by Apple Computer to create Macintosh-compatible computers. Stephen ?Steve? Kahng, a computer engineer best known for his design of the Leading Edge Model D, founded the company in November 1993....
    began bundling BeOS (on a CD for optional installation) with its line of PowerPC-based Macintosh clone
    Macintosh clone

    A Macintosh clone is a personal computer made by a manufacturer other than Apple Inc., using Macintosh Firmwares and system software....
    s. These systems could dual boot
    Dual boot

    Multi boot or Multi booting is the act of installing multiple operating systems on a computer, and being able to choose which one to Booting when switching on the computer power....
    either the Mac OS
    Mac OS

    Mac OS is the trademarked name for a series of graphical user interface-based operating systems developed by Apple Inc. for their Macintosh line of computer systems....
    or BeOS, with a startup screen offering the choice and Steve Jobs went after the clones.
    http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/BeOS

    Dangerous to the status quo.

    Here comes Haiku and being open source now with an even more liberal MIT BDS license than Linux and it can't be stopped especially with the distribution market today the way it is.

    There were some power housed developers behind BeOS and many more who wanted to be and for a whole lots of reasons they didn't dare. Yes, I see the possibility of Haiku gaining a lot supporters and developers quick.

    soviet design deviant art presents a new wallpaper for the first Haiku Alpha

    http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs50/i/20...vietdesign.png

    What do reviewers say about Haiku below??


    http://arstechnica.com/open-source/n...re-of-beos.ars

    http://www.osnews.com/story/22156/In...Alpha_Released

    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/43975/140/

    http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...PCKH4ATMY32JVN

    http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/chri...os-lives-again
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    Thanks free, I casually read all the facts and links before but your post really opened my eyes. To add on, Be Inc created an integrated web browser operating system that also "happened" to not take off. Reminds me of Chrome OS. I wonder if Palm Inc would mind releasing all the original Be OS code under Apache like they did for some of the code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalvinB View Post
    I wonder if Palm Inc would mind releasing all the original Be OS code under Apache like they did for some of the code.
    BeOS is now owned by Access Co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -grubby View Post
    BeOS is now owned by Access Co.
    Thanks for the update. Since they're active FOSS contributors have they open sourced Be OS? If not, i wonder if they would if we asked.

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    Re: Haiku OS: What's the big deal anyway?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalvinB View Post
    Thanks free, I casually read all the facts and links before but your post really opened my eyes. To add on, Be Inc created an integrated web browser operating system that also "happened" to not take off. Reminds me of Chrome OS. I wonder if Palm Inc would mind releasing all the original Be OS code under Apache like they did for some of the code.
    Palm after they used part of the code and getting Gassee and many of the Be coders it then split into two companies, with one being Palm Source and then I believe it was bought by a company in Japan called Access that does a lot of custom software for Nokia and other big companies on cell phones, and I don't think they would want to give up the code.

    But the source code for BeOS did go out the back door of Be Inc before they closed down but it is illegal to use or open source because of contracts.

    Yep BeOS had its own very raw but fast and simple browser included called Netpositive

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetPositive

    http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/16-workhorse_apps/

    but then Opera made a version for it
    http://www.opera.com/download/?os=beos

    and they got Firefox too though the best and fastest versions of it were call Bezilla, because it could not be called Firefox with the needed code operations made too it to run fast on BeOS. Sea Monkey was another one after the company closed that was ported over for BeOS.

    Haiku should be able run run all these easily with minor changes BUT they are developing a NEW browser as well for it using Webkit

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit

    They worked on it and some other things using Google's summer of code students

    http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/leaveng...kit_repository

    https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/w...st/128338.html

    To take care of the lack of flash they are using VLC to play them and when HTML5 comes out videos will play supposedly without flash needed.

    Haiku should be fairly well set on browsers shortly I think.
    Last edited by free10; September 19th, 2009 at 07:46 AM. Reason: add the word then

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    Re: Haiku OS: What's the big deal anyway?

    i would hardly call this:

    Haiku, says the developers' website, is an "open source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. Inspired by the BeOS, Haiku is fast, simple to use, easy to learn and yet very powerful."

    Haiku is now in alpha, but it's obvious that there's a lot of support from a number of developers. The OS, according to the Haiku web site, has a fully threaded design for use with multiprocessor CPUs, a custom kernel, a rich object oriented API and is aimed specifically at personal computing.
    ...a review by any stretch of the imagination.

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