Old mono rants

[HowardJZ]

I see that the ubuntu-desktop package depends on mono now. I'm investing heavily in Ubuntu and I think this is a bad decision, moreover when there are other alternatives.
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I agree. Get rid of mono, really anything produced at Novell.

For more information, see these links:

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/11/...and-moonlight/

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/11/...-on-novell-ms/

[smartboyathome]

I agree. Get rid of mono, really anything produced at Novell.

For more information, see these links:

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/11/...and-moonlight/

http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/11/...-on-novell-ms/

1) boycottnovell has been known to create facts, and thus isn't a reputable source.
2) If you want to get rid of anything related to Novell, get off Linux, as even the kernel and many drivers, programs, etc have code from Novell.
3) Tell me what Novell did that was wrong. If you say they made a deal with Microsoft, think of this: Red Hat did too. Plus, as I said in another thread, Novell wouldn't have made the deal if it meant it would destroy/harm Linux, as they are very heavily invested in it.

[directhex]

1) boycottnovell has been known to create facts, and thus isn't a reputable source.

They make things up on a daily basis. They're brilliant comedy. And as far as objectivity goes, the last piece of thread necrophilia on this thread was courtesy a BN contributor.

One interesting note: BN's founder quit in disgust at the worse-than-4chan level of discourse the site's main editor and contributing trolls provided.

The thing to remember, though, is it's not their fault. Whilst the casual observer might thing BN wants Free Software to fail with the constant attacks against Free projects and users and distros etc because they're simply haters of Free Software... Google for "Hanlon's Razor" for the best explanation for their behaviour

When Microsoft starts suing then I'm all for removing it

Agreed.

As for including it as default... I will stand by my viewpoint of the best tools should be included. If someone can create a better gtk-based photo manager than f-spot (and I am sure it can be done), then I would support its inclusion. Same with tomboy. And my choice of Banshee as a music library/player has nothing to do with it being mono... I just like the application. If it was python or C I would still like it just as much... I frankly don't care about the language if the application works. So if you really want mono gone... go write applications in a language you prefer that can rival and/or surpass the current mono ones. But until you can provide suitable alternatives, mono will stay.

Absolutely agreed. I want Ubuntu to be great, that's my concern. Dropping Beagle in favour of Tracker was a good call - dropping, say, Tomboy for Zim would be a moron move.

[jordilin]

There are great applications in Mono like Tomboy and f-spot. Gnome (not Ubuntu) www.gnome.org includes Tomboy by default if you were to build your own distro. Mono is opensource and .Net is an ECMA standard by which anybody can implement its own .net version if you want to. Mono is not the only one implementing the CLI. Take a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/
Linux is about free of choice amongst other things. Don't like Mono? Remove it. Removing Mono could imply removing Gnome? Use Kde, Xfce, fluxbox, etc...

[directhex]

There are great applications in Mono like Tomboy and f-spot. Gnome (not Ubuntu) www.gnome.org includes Tomboy by default if you were to build your own distro. Mono is opensource and .Net is an ECMA standard by which anybody can implement its own .net version if you want to. Mono is not the only one implementing the CLI. Take a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/
Linux is about free of choice amongst other things. Don't like Mono? Remove it. Removing Mono could imply removing Gnome? Use Kde, Xfce, fluxbox, etc...

Removing Mono has never removed GNOME on Ubuntu. Mono apps are Recommends: of ubuntu-desktop - you can remove Recommends without causing dependency issues

[jordilin]

Removing Mono has never removed GNOME on Ubuntu. Mono apps are Recommends: of ubuntu-desktop - you can remove Recommends without causing dependency issues

which is great for those who love Gnome and dont like mono.

[directhex]

which is great for those who love Gnome and dont like mono.

True

And for those with an obvious agenda to push, little details like reality can't be allowed to get in the way of a good lie

[Yfrwlf]

Microsoft has attacked Linux with software patents. They can go to hell. This is Linux, and this is their direct competition. Of course they want Linux developers making software they can run on their crufty soon-to-be-more-irrelevant OS under terms they control. Amazing how fast everyone forgets things.

But if users here want to run Microsoft Linux, it's their choice, I just think it's a bad one and not helpful for Linux in the long run. The "it's OK, we'll replace it later if they start being jerks about it" concept is horribly flawed. The more you start investing time and effort in Microsoft Linux apps, the less everyone will want to abandon them, and the more leverage Microsoft will have in asking for royalties when they come to collect for patent infringement. Dump it now while it's still easy.

Don't ignore history, let it teach you a lesson. There are many articles about Microsoft attacking Linux via patent claims. Read up on it sometime.

[directhex]

Microsoft has attacked Linux with software patents. They can go to hell. This is Linux, and this is their direct competition. Of course they want Linux developers making software they can run on their crufty soon-to-be-more-irrelevant OS under terms they control. Amazing how fast everyone forgets things.

But if users here want to run Microsoft Linux, it's their choice, I just think it's a bad one and not helpful for Linux in the long run. The "it's OK, we'll replace it later if they start being jerks about it" concept is horribly flawed. The more you start investing time and effort in Microsoft Linux apps, the less everyone will want to abandon them, and the more leverage Microsoft will have in asking for royalties when they come to collect for patent infringement. Dump it now while it's still easy.

Don't ignore history, let it teach you a lesson. There are many articles about Microsoft attacking Linux via patent claims. Read up on it sometime.

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/70/

And "many articles" doesn't count if they're on anti-Free-Software blogs like Boycott Novell

[saulgoode]

And "many articles" doesn't count if they're on anti-Free-Software blogs like Boycott Novell

A Google search of "microsoft attacking Linux via patent claims" (Yfrwlf's words) produces 519,000 results. While the first result is actually from Boycott Novell, it is an article about MS attacking Google (perhaps Google weights themselves higher when searching). BN.com does not appear again in at least the next 12 pages of results (I gave up after page 13).

There were indeed many articles from a wide variety of sources. Certainly not all of them can be dismissed by tossing out trite accusations of being "anti-Free-Software".

Here is a sampling of some of those sites:

arstechnica.com
businessinsider.com
computerworlduk.com
engadget.com
eweek.com
forbes.com
gartner.com
huffingtonpost.com
informationweek.com
internetnews.com
itworld.com
linux.com
linuxdevices.com
linux-foundation.org
linuxjournal.com
linuxplanet.com
linux-watch.com
linuxworld.com
seattlepi.com
techflash.com
techrepublic.com
zdnet.com