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    Question Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    Please post you experiences with mobility radeon and 9.04 open source ati drivers!

    Since there seems to be a lot of discussion on the fact that fglrx drivers (xorg-driver-fglrx) are no longer supported in 9.04, I am (and many more are) hesitant on installing jaunty on my laptop with the open source ones (xserver-xorg-video-radeon and/or xserver-xorg-video-ati). I have ati mobility radeon x600 (R300 series).

    $ lspci | grep Radeon
    01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M24 1P [Radeon MobilityX600]

    I tried the live cd and it was mostly working but I got some screen corruption and scrolling speed seemed worse.

    I am interested at least on these:

    The model of your video card.
    The performance of : 2d (e.g., scrolling), 3d (glxgears), xv full screen (which resolution) video, xv windowed video? Especially compared to 8.10 using fglrx.
    Did you have to tweak your xorg.conf?

    Thank you very muchos!

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    I'm not at all happy; in fact, I'm raging like hell. I'll keep it professional and let's see if we can get the rage demon calmed down here.

    I've a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop with embedded ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]. Here's the rundown on my gear:

    Code:
    00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 Host Bridge (rev 10)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64
    
    00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64
    	Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=64
    	I/O behind bridge: 00009000-00009fff
    	Memory behind bridge: c0100000-c01fffff
    	Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000c8000000-00000000cfffffff
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    
    00:05.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
    	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
    	Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    
    00:06.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 PCI Bridge
    	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
    	Bus: primary=00, secondary=05, subordinate=07, sec-latency=0
    	Memory behind bridge: c0200000-c02fffff
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: pcieport-driver
    	Kernel modules: shpchp
    
    00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA (prog-if 01)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 22
    	I/O ports at 8438 [size=8]
    	I/O ports at 8454 [size=4]
    	I/O ports at 8430 [size=8]
    	I/O ports at 8450 [size=4]
    	I/O ports at 8400 [size=16]
    	Memory at c0004000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: ahci
    
    00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI0) (prog-if 10)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16
    	Memory at c0005000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    
    00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI1) (prog-if 10)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 17
    	Memory at c0006000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    
    00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI2) (prog-if 10)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 18
    	Memory at c0007000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    
    00:13.3 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI3) (prog-if 10)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 17
    	Memory at c0008000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    
    00:13.4 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI4) (prog-if 10)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 18
    	Memory at c0009000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
    	Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
    
    00:13.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB Controller (EHCI) (prog-if 20)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 19
    	Memory at c0004400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
    
    00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 13)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel
    	I/O ports at 8410 [size=16]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
    	Kernel modules: i2c-piix4
    
    00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16
    	I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8]
    	I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1]
    	I/O ports at 0170 [size=8]
    	I/O ports at 0374 [size=1]
    	I/O ports at 8420 [size=16]
    	Kernel driver in use: pata_atiixp
    
    00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 16
    	Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
    	Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
    
    00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0
    
    00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge (prog-if 01)
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64
    	Bus: primary=00, secondary=08, subordinate=0a, sec-latency=64
    	Memory behind bridge: c0300000-c03fffff
    
    00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
    	Flags: fast devsel
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    
    00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
    	Flags: fast devsel
    
    00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
    	Flags: fast devsel
    
    00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
    	Flags: fast devsel
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: k8temp
    	Kernel modules: k8temp
    
    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 66, IRQ 17
    	Memory at c8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
    	I/O ports at 9000 [size=256]
    	Memory at c0100000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
    	[virtual] Expansion ROM at c0120000 [disabled] [size=128K]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel modules: radeonfb
    
    05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 0007
    	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18
    	Memory at c0200000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
    	Kernel modules: wl, ssb
    
    08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 64, IRQ 21
    	Memory at c0300000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: b44
    	Kernel modules: b44
    
    08:01.0 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 19)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 20
    	Memory at c0302800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
    	Kernel modules: sdhci-pci
    
    08:01.1 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 01)
    	Subsystem: Dell Device 01f5
    	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 9
    	Memory at c0302c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
    	Capabilities: <access denied>
    	Kernel modules: ricoh_mmc
    Here's my xorg.conf:

    Code:
    Section "ServerLayout"
    	Identifier     "aticonfig Layout"
    	Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
    EndSection
    
    Section "Files"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Monitor"
    	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    	Option	    "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
    	Option	    "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
    	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
    EndSection
    
    Section	"Module"
    	Load "glx"
    	Load "dri"
    EndSection
    
    #Section "Device"
    #	Identifier  "Default Device"
    #	Driver      "vesa"
    #EndSection
    
    Section "Device"
    	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    	Driver	"ati"
    	BusID       "PCI:1:5:0"
    	Option	"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps"
    #	Option	"AccelMethod"	"XAA"
    	Option	"AccelMethod"	"EXA"
    	Option 	"EnablePageFlip" "true"
    	Option	"TripleBuffer"	"true"
    	Option	"ColorTiling" "1"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Screen"
    	Identifier "Default Screen"
    	DefaultDepth     24
    EndSection
    
    Section "Screen"
    	Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
    	Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
    	Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
    	DefaultDepth     24
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Viewport   0 0
    		Depth     24
    	EndSubSection
    EndSection
    
    Section "DRI"
    	Group "video"
    	Mode 066
    EndSection
    
    Section "Extensions"
    	Option "Composite" "Enable"
    EndSection
    Everything was fine up until last night when I rebooted after completing the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04.

    I hop on World of Warcraft. Mind you, since the 9.3 release of fglrx, I wasn't getting any real performance out of the chip. Average of 10 fps was best I could get in Warcraft, with zones like Dalaran or Argent Stand in Gundrak down more around 5 fps.

    I've a dwarf bank toon that I keep in Darnassus to mind my auctions and cash since Darnassus usually averages 10-15 fps due to the low population and easy to draw graphics. Now, after the upgrade, this one's getting graphics lag at a single frame per second or less. I've tried tweaking and jacking settings around until midnight last night and then another hour and a half today.

    Can someone please tell me WTF is up here? Am I going to have to back up a bunch of data and reformat and reload 8.10 to fix this idiocy? 3D graphics was working just fine before the 9.04 upgrade and I cannot think of a single reason why it shouldn't continue to do so. Ideas? Explanations?

    There's a thread amongst the forums that recommends recompiling mesa, and even more about how fglrx drivers will drop support for my chip, but whether there's a valid fix or any work done to that end is a totally different question.

    I'm lost and very frustrated. Help.

    P.S. 12:32 p.m. UTC -0400 24/04/09:

    Looking more for possible fixes on the issue, this bug appears to be the exact problem that needs to be addressed to save some face here:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ti/+bug/347569

    And this describes fixes that were done somewhere along the way and mentioned in the link above:

    http://www.nabble.com/R300-regression-td23108996.html

    P.P.S. 8:53 a.m.:

    Bump for great justice.
    Last edited by eggplant37; April 25th, 2009 at 01:54 PM.

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    I have exactly the same set up (Dell Inspiron 1501 with same ATI card, about 2.5 to 3 years old). Unfortunately for those of us that cannot afford to just run out and get a snarling new computer, we're stuck with just living on the outskirts of technology and software.

    I too just did the upgrade to Jaunty 9.04 today and found my fglrx won't work. I got the prompt before the upgrade about the drivers, so before I upgraded, I removed my fglrx and then went to do the upgrade (which still told me about fglrx not working with 9.04). Lo and behold there is no driver working for it, and i'm not exactly savvy enough with linux to do manual installs.

    Oh well. I can deal with what I can deal with for a while. If our vid card can't be supported in jaunty, then I think i'll revert back to at least intrepid if not hardy.

    CodeRage

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    I have a Radeon Xpress 200 (RS480) and when I upgraded to 8.10 I found that it was no longer supported in fglrx. I'm not really sure why this is only hitting you guys now, maybe it was just a matter of time until incompatibility caught up with you :-/

    I'm not keen on upgrading to 9.04 if I have to go through this whole rigmarole again, but at least on 8.10 I managed to get my card back to some level of performance using the ati driver (after much messing around). I don't use any 3D apps though, so maybe my "some level of performance" won't mean much to you. IIRC, among the myriad of configuration tweaks I tried, the key was specifying the resolutions supported by my monitor... but maybe it was something else that did the trick. Anyway, just posting this in case it's of use to someone. Keep in mind that this is using the "ati" driver on 8.10

    my xorg.cong
    Code:
    Section "Files"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
    	Fontpath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
    	Fontpath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Monitor"
    	Identifier	"N91S"
    	Option		"DPMS"
    	Horizsync	30-80
    	Vertrefresh	60-75
    	Displaysize	375	302
    EndSection
    
    Section "Screen"
    	Identifier	"Default Screen"
    	Device		"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Xpress 200 (RS480)"
    	Monitor		"N91S"
    	DefaultDepth	24
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Depth	1
    		Modes		"1280x1024"	"1024x768"	"800x600"	"640x480"
    	EndSubSection
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Depth	4
    		Modes		"1280x1024"	"1024x768"	"800x600"	"640x480"
    	EndSubSection
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Depth	8
    		Modes		"1280x1024"	"1024x768"	"800x600"	"640x480"
    	EndSubSection
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Depth	15
    		Modes		"1280x1024"	"1024x768"	"800x600"	"640x480"
    	EndSubSection
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Depth	16
    		Modes		"1280x1024"	"1024x768"	"800x600"	"640x480"
    	EndSubSection
    	SubSection "Display"
    		Depth	24
    		Modes		"1280x1024"	"1024x768"	"800x600"	"640x480"
    	EndSubSection
    EndSection
    
    Section "Module"
    	Load		"bitmap"
    	Load		"ddc"
    	Load		"dri"
    	Load		"extmod"
    	Load		"freetype"
    	Load		"int10"
    	Load		"vbe"
    	Load		"glx"
    EndSection
    
    Section "DRI"
    	Mode	0666
    EndSection
    
    Section "Extensions"
    	Option		"Composite"	"0"
    EndSection
    
    Section "ServerLayout"
    	Identifier	"Default Layout"
    	screen "Default Screen"
    EndSection
    
    Section "Device"
    	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Xpress 200 (RS480)"
    	Busid		"PCI:1:5:0"
    	Screen	0
    	Driver		"ati"
    EndSection
    Running glxgears gives me
    4355 frames in 5.0 seconds = 870.883 FPS
    4394 frames in 5.0 seconds = 878.662 FPS
    4392 frames in 5.0 seconds = 878.292 FPS
    4384 frames in 5.0 seconds = 876.710 FPS
    EDIT:

    But running glxgears -fullscreen gives me
    544 frames in 5.0 seconds = 108.751 FPS
    542 frames in 5.0 seconds = 108.273 FPS
    542 frames in 5.0 seconds = 108.294 FPS
    542 frames in 5.0 seconds = 108.275 FPS
    So I guess my 3D performance is utter crap after all.
    Last edited by Dan42; April 29th, 2009 at 08:50 AM.

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    Quote Originally Posted by CodeRage View Post
    I too just did the upgrade to Jaunty 9.04 today and found my fglrx won't work. I got the prompt before the upgrade about the drivers, so before I upgraded, I removed my fglrx and then went to do the upgrade (which still told me about fglrx not working with 9.04). Lo and behold there is no driver working for it, and i'm not exactly savvy enough with linux to do manual installs.
    I have the Dell Inspiron 1501, although I didn't upgrade. The Radeon Xpress 200M does work okay when running the Ubuntu 9.04 Live CD and everything is detected and installed faultlessly. The "okay" performance of the open source driver under 9.04 is well below the fglrx driver under 8.10 - I get just 320 fps in glxgears compared to 2,200 under 8.10, so one seventh of the speed.

    The following link may help if you upgraded (rather then a clean install) and corrects some hangovers when a previous fglrx installation interferes with a newly-installed open source driver: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troublesho...thRadeonDriver

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    Well it took me sooo long to work out how to get my tv out working on the card below in Hardy but eventually I did.
    I upgraded to Jaunty and then read the info on the ATI website.
    No TV out anymore. And the computer works just like it did before the upgrade so I am considering reloading Hardy as my main use for the computer is watching movies on the TV. Problem is I cannot remember how I got tv out working in the first place...


    01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]
    01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600]

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    I too have a Radeon X600, this one on a ThinkPad Z60m. I keep telling friends that the only thing keeping Ubuntu from wider acceptance with the Windows world is that it absolutely blows in the video card department. I'm running Intrepid, and have had my share of problems, some of which I researched on reliable Ubuntu sites, applied recommended fixes, and had to revert to an earlier Linux kernel to get my screen back. Hoo boy.

    No way will I "upgrade" to Jaunty. And this is especially sad because one of the main reasons I recommend Ubuntu to people is that it, and its variants like Xubuntu, can be used on older computers to make them run like new. No longer, it seems. My 2GHz chip, my 2GB RAM, my x600 are all terribly obsolete. Except that it works just fine for me, and I see no reason to get the latest and greatest. However, if Jaunty promises workable TV out, then I'd be interested!

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    So it seems I'm in the same sinking boat ith the rest of you guys.

    I have an older Dell (ATI RV370 5B60 [RADEON X300], with a clean xorg.conf) that was running 8.10 fine. The 9.04 upgrade was run. Now no GDM. The user isn't a CLI junkie, so any ideas on how to do a painless revert back to 8.10.

    I'm guessing that nifty upgrade manager doesn't have a nice command line revert mode? I would really like t avoid the reconfiguraion process.

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    I run a HP nc8430 with a ati radeon mobility X1600.
    I use the open source driver (as I have no choice). This gives me better performance with glxgears (*10 !!!!)
    However, I can't use graphic effects.

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    Re: Jaunty 9.04 with ati radeon mobility - open source drivers vs. fglrx in 8.10

    Quote Originally Posted by P Minix View Post
    So it seems I'm in the same sinking boat ith the rest of you guys.

    I have an older Dell (ATI RV370 5B60 [RADEON X300], with a clean xorg.conf) that was running 8.10 fine. The 9.04 upgrade was run. Now no GDM. The user isn't a CLI junkie, so any ideas on how to do a painless revert back to 8.10.

    I'm guessing that nifty upgrade manager doesn't have a nice command line revert mode? I would really like t avoid the reconfiguraion process.
    There is no simple way to "revert back" to a prior Ubuntu version. You have to save off what you can and reinstall.

    However, you should be able to use the open source driver. Check out the link below for details:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver

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